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Great insight into something that most suspected anyway Mick, its great that you have opened this can of worms and maybe the RFL will get to read!!
Who would be a ref heh.

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Great read, thank you.

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Good writing. Thanks Mick

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Interesting read. And just further cements what we the fans already think, that the game is run by imbeciles and the referees department at top level is more of a weekly jolly boys outing than a professional outfit.

I fear with Sharp and Ganson in charge at present it will get worse. Just look at the debacle following Gansons Magic Weekend, Hull Derby cock up and Sharps subsequent appearance on Boots n All in a veiled attempt to try and pass it off as a "we all make mistakes, were only human" error. Nothing to do with the skinful you both had the night before then Jon? icon_cheers.gif icon_biggrin.gifRUNK:

How does Jon Sharp even become Head of the Match Officials dept? How does Ganson become Match Officials Coach and Technical Director (Id be interested to know which bit in the OP is referring to Ganson?) And Stuart Cummings retired? Or pushed? eusa_think.gif

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Oh dear. As a match official of over twenty years I have never read so much self-centred whinging. Sure there are difficult issues but you know what, you try to resolve them.

Not once in that overly long article did I read anything about how you tried to setup something within your society to advance your fellow officials. You come across as a player who has tried reffing and still thinks like a player. Christ on a bike!

I have never reffed for the money, nor have I complained at what they give you. I have routinely been out of pocket but you know what? Who cares???? Not me!!! I ref because I love the game.

Poor you only getting six whole weeks notice for the fitness test. Funny how it takes place the same time every season!

You aren't qualified to comment on officiating, you are however very qualified to comment on yourself it seems.

And I have driven four hours in each direction to ref games and you know what, I would do it again. Couldn't care less about the money, do it because I love it and I make a point of passing on my knowledge to anyone who wants to learn it as I know we have to educate ourselves and sometimes the very best way is to watch the game.

You sir, are a letdown to your second profession (player first, player always by the looks of things).

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Quote: salford1970 "Oh dear. As a match official of over twenty years I have never read so much self-centred whinging. Sure there are difficult issues but you know what, you try to resolve them.

Not once in that overly long article did I read anything about how you tried to setup something within your society to advance your fellow officials. You come across as a player who has tried reffing and still thinks like a player. Christ on a bike!

I have never reffed for the money, nor have I complained at what they give you. I have routinely been out of pocket but you know what? Who cares???? Not me!!! I ref because I love the game.

Poor you only getting six whole weeks notice for the fitness test. Funny how it takes place the same time every season!

You aren't qualified to comment on officiating, you are however very qualified to comment on yourself it seems.

And I have driven four hours in each direction to ref games and you know what, I would do it again. Couldn't care less about the money, do it because I love it and I make a point of passing on my knowledge to anyone who wants to learn it as I know we have to educate ourselves and sometimes the very best way is to watch the game.

You sir, are a letdown to your second profession (player first, player always by the looks of things).'"

Lol. I seriously hope your attitude isn't prevalent amongst refs. You don't seem to realise that the unprofessionalism, the lack of direction & leadership and the lack of help is at least partly why so many people either don't take up or don't continue with reffing.
You might not care about the money, other people it's a big deal to.

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Quote: " seriously hope your attitude isn't prevalent amongst refs. You don't seem to realise that the unprofessionalism, the lack of direction & leadership and the lack of help is at least partly why so many people either don't take up or don't continue with reffing. '"


Yes, it isn't great and the pro-arm looks after the pro-arm only. And the money goes to the teams rather than the officials. It's a labour of love to be a match official and only those that are dedicated and professional in their approach will keep going.

And therein lies the problem. You do sport, any sport, primarily for the enjoyment of taking part.

You seem to be mixing up the term professionalism as being someone who is paid rather than someone who demonstrates professional behaviour towards an occupation or the like. I would consider myself to be highly professional in my approach to officiating. I would also consider myself to be someone who tries to develop those they work with so they can enhance their own skills and my hope is always that they take from me and give to others in a similar manner.

Many officials do and whilst you are correct in that some of them do need the money many of them will also be professional in their approach. I have encountered officials like the OP who put far too much emphasis on the money (and the negatives after reading his long winded diatribe) and to be honest if you are only in it for the money then don't bother. First and foremost should be the love of the game and second to that should be how can I help others to improve. Nothing in the OPs email suggested he loved officiating.

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A very good read, and very insightful. Sadly it confirms the prevelant amateurism that many suspect plagues the sport.

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As a former ref myself (last game was as a touch judge on the Underbank vs Nottingham Outlaws Rugby League Conference National elimination match in 2009) I can relate to quite a few of the points the OP makes.
The amount of times, at either local society level or at RFL level, that you see officials getting matches when they clearly aren't good enough for the level that they are at is appalling. When I passed my match officials course in 2002 it was a 2 day course in Leeds. First day theory, second day practical and exam. That was a good amount of time spent as it meant you could go into more depth about things you weren't clear about. I didn't referee a match until the summer in the local service area games (a completely new ref being thrown in with the best players of the local area and expected to be at that level.)
I refereed youth games, open age, Yorkshire vs Lancashire under 16's and even got to referee in Holland twice (through my own efforts and not the RFL or my society.)
There is genuine talent out there, but for some reason the majority end up either stuck at local amatuer level or leave the game completely. A normal week for me when i was refing was 1 game on a saturday, 3 junior games on a sunday, 1 maybe 2 midweek games and you have to fit training and meetings around that. I had a 14 month spell when i had to referee with a constantly pulled hamstring because they were always short of officals. But i still did it because i loved the game.
When i had to finish as a match official (ankles knackered from crap pitches in amatuer leagues) i emailed the RFL with my reasons of why i was finishing and i was invited to have a chat at Carnegie. So i went up and the chat was basically being told that my attitude stunk and that i never tried hard enough. Anyone who ever saw me referee or at training was always surprised by how much time and effort i put into my fitness and pushing myself to improve all the time. I don't think i was good enough to make it to super league but my attitude was never in question to people who had met me.
So I can totally see where the OP has come from with his great insight into what it was like for him as an official. The majority start because of a love for the game, it's amazing to see how few actually leave with their love of the game intact.

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I reffed a match once when at Uni. The official didn't turn up and I was injured and couldn't play for my team but had travelled down to the match to support the lads. Being the away side we were asked by the opposition to supply the ref. I ended up hobbling round the field on my knackered ankle in a borrowed tracksuit and boots having to shout when offences had occurred as I didn't have a whistle. Gave me a lot more respect for the refs but would never ever do it again!

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good read. i refereed football at pro and semi pro level and you make the F.A. look like a well run organisation.
we also did the cooper test twice a year but we got two free kits a year and sometimes boots and bags thrown in. also we got a match fee and petrol expenses, usually 30p a mile so you were covered taht way.
you should write a book though, good reading

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A great read and rare insight into one of the least known part of our game. You highlight some striking concerns in my opinion, we are in desperate need for more good match officials, with the NRL now able to boast two good standard referees for every game, there's even a call for three!

Yet we're way behind yet again, it seems the RFL do nothing more than pay lip service when and where required, yet have for years sat and gobbled up huge salaries and ignored the most important facets of the game, refereeing be just one on a long list.

People may treat referees as one big joke, but they're a hugely important part of the game, I firmly believe they deserve a much better service from our governing body to ensure these issues are dealt with. I'd add to that, if the RFL's inadequacies are being highlighted worse than what this guy had to deal with at grassroots level from fans and coaches on a weekly basis, then they have some serious issues to work on.

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To me its a double edged read. Some of it seems a little whiny. But other parts of it make points that should be taken into account.

Like any account there will be bias from the author. But I can't understand the need to divorce entirely from the game.

I am not what I was as a supporter, but I still dip in and out as a fan. I hardly watch cricket at all anymore but the interest is still there. I am torn between two opinions on this. In the end some of it seems like a moan with good points being made.

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