except the video doesnt clearly show it at all.

it may show it, but pretending it clearly does is just lying. Which is an odd thing to do. Not quite as odd as somehow pretending its the same as holocaust denial but odd all the same.

Its funny how Kevin Sinfield avoided being accused of it throughout his career. Jamie Peacock and Ryan Hall have managed to. Hes a silly boy (and has no one to blame) for being under investigation for it, and he also is a silly boy and has no one else to blame if hes found guilty. The point was that regardless of whether he actually committed the crime or not, he put himself in that position through his actions, and thus takes responsibility for any and all fallout for the events that occur. If Hitler did take lives, does that make him more culpable than if he didnt? No, because of the position he put himself in. It was potentially an insensitive example of me to use, for which I apologise for any offence caused, but you cant blame "goody two shoes" fans (or anyone else) for Hardaker blowing a kiss, or (alledgedly) saying what he did.

there is an unfortunate presentation in this, jumped on by a few in this thread already (some hilariously misguided) that investigation = guilty

If hardaker is found guilty, then he should be punished and by more than last time.

If he isnt, then this is an entirely invented and unnecessary issue whipped up by a few fans.

Smokey, in that entire statement you said "IF" Hardaker made an homophobic comment. So why criticise people who believe he did make it. How are they any worse for those who believe he didn't make it?

There's is sufficient footage for the RFL to investigate (i don't think anyone can deny that)

Of course it's not Hardaker's fault for getting himself in this situation again.

Sorry....... you would blame Hardaker for an entirely incorrect accusation? That even if he didnt make a homophobic remark he is responsible for other people incorrectly thinking he did? He is responsible for other peoples mistake?

I wouldnt blame the fans for Hardaker making a homophobic remark, I would blame fans(those fans who did anyway) for saying that he did make a homophobic remark if he didnt.

It is absolutely insane to say that whether he made the remark or not he is responsible for the fall out. how on earth can he be responsible for the fall out of a comment he didnt make and a crime he didnt commit?

I have no problem with the RFL investigating.

I dont think he said 'puff' i dont know that he didnt. I wouldnt criticise those who think he did say 'puff' but didnt know that he did.

I think those who know that he did are clearly lying and deserve any and all criticism that comes their way.

Hang on a minute, let's deal in facts.

He has recently been banned for homophobic abuse on live TV.

Last week, again on live TV, he decides to blow a kiss at a player and shout abuse that, at best, is open to interpretation.

You can't then blame people, watching him on live TV, for interpreting his actions or, for some, simply stating what they believe he shouted.

There is one person at fault for this furore, even if he's found not guilty, and that is Hardaker - give his recent history he SHOULD NOT be blowing kisses and shouting questionable abuse on live TV! It's really quite simple, as Zak appears to be.

Nothing "goody two shoes" about "fans" who sit behind a screen, watching the same piece of tape again and again and again desperate to see something that isn't there, and all with the aim of destroying a lady's career.

When the dust has settled on this I'd expect it'll be these "fans" who'll have to take a long look at themselves, not Hardaker.

You certainly can blame those people. Hardaker is not at fault for people mistakenly deciding he said something he didnt. If he didnt say it, the only ones to blame the furore are those who jumped in with both feet, decided they knew best and turned out to be wrong.

There is nothing wrong with these people saying 'i dont know' before they wrap themselves up in what would unnecessary, unwarranted and entirely misplaced offence.

There is only one pertinent fact. We dont know, anyone moving past that is entirely and solely responsible for that decision.

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You utter retard.

He blew a kiss = homophobic (well obviously if you say so)

He called him an effing puff (yeah of course, you are clearly the beacon of all knowledge, I can't believe anyone thought it was inconclusive)

He should get a long ban (who needs the RFL? Judgement made)