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| Quote brearley84="brearley84"Total joke., should have been sorted already!
seems the RFL are just waiting to see how many wins bradford can get before deciding how many points to give them back!
the only reason they have appealed is because of the relegation coming into force... previous clubs werent bothered to get the points deducted'"
Agreed this should have sorted before a ball had been kicked, I still find it strange that the appeal has been put back to 2nd June the Day after Wakefield match! Its ridicules the outcome of the appeal could have a massive impact on all clubs involved in the relegation battle
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"It feels like we've all gone back in time with the Ardvark and Smokey ready to defend the Bradford club against the rest of the RL world.
The one certainty is that the constant delays in ratifying the 6 point deduction don't help Bradford, or the other SL clubs and our game will be mocked again from the outside and from within.
It's been a painful few months, not least for the supporters of the Bulls and those who's livelihoods are dependant on the club and the saga does seem, once again, to be prolonged further than ought to be necessary.'"
Exactly!! This is so unfair on Bradford supporters but all clubs and fans involved and it does make the SL look a bloody joke!!!
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| Quote King Street Cat="King Street Cat"If Salford are still on 9 points come the 2nd of June and Bradford get all 6 points back it'll be interesting to hear what Kouca$h has to say...'"
And Salford play Bradford on 15th June so the Doc will have something to say!!
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| Crusaders - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 6 points - reduced to 4 points after paying a significant number of Creditors
Wakefield - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 6 points - reduced to 4 points after paying a significant number of Creditors
Widnes - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 9 points (Championship)
Bradford - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 6 points
So where's the inconsistency
The precedent is set and on record
The punishment under appeal is the correct one and unless Bradford pay off a significant number of Creditors they should not receive any points back.
If they do pay off a significant number of creditors then they should get 2 points back
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"Crusaders - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 6 points - reduced to 4 points after paying a significant number of Creditors
Wakefield - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 6 points - reduced to 4 points after paying a significant number of Creditors
Widnes - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 9 points (Championship)
Bradford - Docked the equivalent of three competition wins - 6 points
So where's the inconsistency '"
Er, that in previous cases, the deduction of the points meant actually practically zero. Whereas now, it will almost certainly result in relegation from Super League. I'd say that is a pretty seismic difference, making the comparison silly, wouldn't you, if you think about it?
Quote The Avenger... unless Bradford pay off a significant number of Creditors they should not receive any points back.
If they do pay off a significant number of creditors then they should get 2 points back'"
I do not actually disagree with the principle of points being dependent on the extent to which creditors end up being shafted, but if (for example) a club (any club) sorted its affairs out and no creditor lost out (and I am not saying this is Bradford's case, it is not) then why should they suffer any points deduction at all?
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"It feels like we've all gone back in time with the Ardvark and Smokey ready to defend the Bradford club against the rest of the RL world....'"
Only someone who either can't read, or didn't bother to, would make such a bizarre claim. If you disagree with any particular point I have made, do feel free to say.
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| Out of interest Aardvark, what do you believe should be Bradfords punishment points wise? And are you Robbie Paul in disguise 
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| I have to ask why, as a sport, we are so keen to go over and above legal and national safeguards to make sure creditors get paid.
It's a noble sentiment but it ignores that every single penny a new owner spends paying creditors, is money flowing out of the sport.
I may be being a little mercenary, but I would much rather Marc Green spent £1m on Odsal or Bradford's youth development than altruistically paying back the debts of someone else's company.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Only someone who either can't read, or didn't bother to, would make such a bizarre claim. If you disagree with any particular point I have made, do feel free to say.'"
Sorry "Ardvark", I didn't think it was bizarre.
When there have been previous threads concerning any points deduction/punishment etc.
Yourself and Smokey have spent much time and many pages picking up on the finer points of the Bulls situation and this thread is a likely return to the endless should they / shouldn't they and the slightly less articulate posters will no doubt have their comments micro dissected as though we were in a court of law.
Lets face it, the subject was done to death previously and it seemed that yourself and Smokey and lone voices for the Bradford cause and against any punishment against the Bradford club (in whatever guise it may be)
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| Financial performance was one of the considerations taken during the licensing evaluations. Interestingly Bradford Bulls were given a high rating for their financial plan just months before going bust.
It can be viewed that loss of licence/relegation were both brought closer by poor financial performance, therefore there's little or no difference now.
I've Said it before, the RFL as a NGB are obligated by Government to have some form of punishment for clubs who have insolvency events particularly Administration. If they don't then they lose funding as such legislation is a prerequisite for Sport England grants etc...
The HMRC also demand that the NGB of a sport has some form of deterrent and punishment for clubs entering Administration. They will not be compliment with member clubs if the NGB are soft on TAX debt.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Sorry "Ardvark", I didn't think it was bizarre.
When there have been previous threads concerning any points deduction/punishment etc.
Yourself and Smokey have spent much time and many pages picking up on the finer points of the Bulls situation and this thread is a likely return to the endless should they / shouldn't they and the slightly less articulate posters will no doubt have their comments micro dissected as though we were in a court of law.
Lets face it, the subject was done to death previously and it seemed that yourself and Smokey and lone voices for the Bradford cause and against any punishment against the Bradford club (in whatever guise it may be)'"
Even in my most recent post I stated in plain terms that I am not against a punishment of points relating to creditors being shafted. Thus when you respond by falsely claiming I am "against any punishment against the Bradford club" you are, for whatever reason, simply lying, and must know you are. Why?
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"...
The HMRC also demand that the NGB of a sport has some form of deterrent and punishment for clubs entering Administration. They will not be compliment with member clubs if the NGB are soft on TAX debt.'"
I am vehemtly opposed to HMRC being shafted, as I am in re any creditors; but in the case of a company which totally FAILS i.e. in this instance, OK Bulls Ltd., it cannot be punished (it will soon be liquidated) and it can not be deterred (it has gone tits). You and many others struggle to put into words exactly in what way penalising a new owner works as a deterrent. Of course, the idea is illogical. It would work as a deterrent for comapnies doing a debtswerve into and out of administration, and I am all in favour in [ithose[/i cases, but why can you not make the simple distinction?
"Do not go bust, as if you do, your liquidated company will lose 6 points". Or even, "any new owner of the team will lose 6 points". Like, that owner of the bankrupt company would remotely care about that WHY exactly? HOW would the owner of the bankrupt company be deterred?
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