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The points deduction as I understand it is up to 6 points. Not a straight 6 points. And it's dependant on paying your creditors. The more you can pay off the smaller the points deduction.
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| Quote MidlandsWarrior2="MidlandsWarrior2"What message does it send to prospective owners of clubs when they dont want to sell a club they will simply create a new club and transfer the assets? Or am i missing something maybe this is not the case here?'"
The people who did the transfer of the club were the board of directors of the old holding company, Ok Bulls. The RFL just approved the transfer, as club owners have to be approved, but would have no power to make the transfer themselves. |
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looks like it was triggered by HMRC. If they went into admin before season starts then the minimum should be a 4 point penalty..
Could be heavier sanctions if they fail to honour any agreements with creditors, writing off debts again and then want RFL handouts (rent on Odsal been paid ??) is a complete farce
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| Quote childofthenorthern="childofthenorthern"The people who did the transfer of the club were the board of directors of the old holding company, Ok Bulls. The RFL just approved the transfer, as club owners have to be approved, but would have no power to make the transfer themselves.'"
So the owner of Ok Bulls got paid? or does he still own the new bulls? |
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| Quote MidlandsWarrior2="MidlandsWarrior2"So the owner of Ok Bulls got paid? or does he still own the new bulls?'"
Fairly unlikely from reading the information released, but as the owner of Ok Bulls, Omar Khan, appointed the directors to run the club as they saw fit. It appears the best way they could see to keep the club going was to transfer the assets to another company. If Omar Khan is unhappy with this, legal action will undoubtedly follow. |
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| Quote childofthenorthern="childofthenorthern"Fairly unlikely from reading the information released, but as the owner of Ok Bulls, Omar Khan, appointed the directors to run the club as they saw fit. It appears the best way they could see to keep the club going was to transfer the assets to another company. If Omar Khan is unhappy with this, legal action will undoubtedly follow.'"
Sounds like there is a massive conflict of interest if the board members are the same on both companies so yes i expect this to be the case |
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The RFL 'operational rules' on finance have rules in place to ensure teams comply with their HMRC Obligations.
rflmedia.therfl.co.uk/docs/Secti ... inance.pdf
Maybe the new Bulls board should be more worried about the 'Misconduct' charge from the RFL for failing to keep to these rules? That in itself will be a sanction prior to any points deduction for administration.
Also, weren't the Bulls on a provisional licence or was that threat removed? |
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The RFL 'operational rules' on finance have rules in place to ensure teams comply with their HMRC Obligations.
rflmedia.therfl.co.uk/docs/Secti ... inance.pdf
Maybe the new Bulls board should be more worried about the 'Misconduct' charge from the RFL for failing to keep to these rules? That in itself will be a sanction prior to any points deduction for administration.
Also, weren't the Bulls on a provisional licence or was that threat removed? | |
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The new bulls don't owe anything right now do they? They were an asset transferred to another company, why assume they transferred all the liabilities too?
If not and all the liabilities were transferred and will be paid off, what exactly are we asking the bulls to be punished for? The admin was simply a measure to facilitate the share transfer on that case
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"The new bulls don't owe anything right now do they? They were an asset transferred to another company, why assume they transferred all the liabilities too?
If not and all the liabilities were transferred and will be paid off, what exactly are we asking the bulls to be punished for? The admin was simply a measure to facilitate the share transfer on that case'"
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Quote Wadski="Wadski"The RFL 'operational rules' on finance have rules in place to ensure teams comply with their HMRC Obligations.
rflmedia.therfl.co.uk/docs/Secti ... inance.pdf
Maybe the new Bulls board should be more worried about the 'Misconduct' charge from the RFL for failing to keep to these rules? That in itself will be a sanction prior to any points deduction for administration.
Also, weren't the Bulls on a provisional licence or was that threat removed?'"
The provisional licence was made a full licence part way through last year.
As far as I know there isn't any legal mechanism for one company to pay HMRC due for another company, so it's difficult to see how they could comply given the current ownership, even though they have stated they intend to work with creditors. |
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Quote Wadski="Wadski"The RFL 'operational rules' on finance have rules in place to ensure teams comply with their HMRC Obligations.
rflmedia.therfl.co.uk/docs/Secti ... inance.pdf
Maybe the new Bulls board should be more worried about the 'Misconduct' charge from the RFL for failing to keep to these rules? That in itself will be a sanction prior to any points deduction for administration.
Also, weren't the Bulls on a provisional licence or was that threat removed?'"
The provisional licence was made a full licence part way through last year.
As far as I know there isn't any legal mechanism for one company to pay HMRC due for another company, so it's difficult to see how they could comply given the current ownership, even though they have stated they intend to work with creditors. | |
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Thanks childofthenorthern. The HMRC isn't someone to mess around with and as you say, it's not easy to pay someone else's bill.
If you can avoid a points deduction and start the season in zero ( as a retracted PA release has already stated) the only loser will be Omar Khan - how much has his 18 month attempt at running a Superleague club cost him?
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| Quote Wadski="Wadski"Thanks childofthenorthern. The HMRC isn't someone to mess around with and as you say, it's not easy to pay someone else's bill.
If you can avoid a points deduction and start the season in zero ( as a retracted PA release has already stated) the only loser will be Omar Khan - how much has his 18 month attempt at running a Superleague club cost him?'"
On the bulls section of the message board, figures of 600k plus that he put in as loans are being mentioned. It's also worth pointing out that Bradford Council loaned Ok Bulls 200k and that's reported as being personally guaranteed by Omar Khan. Unless the Bulls are including the council as creditors then that would appear to fall on him as well. |
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