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| This is boring
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"It's an endless debate that is going nowhere because you fail to accept that the average attendance at an event is arrived at by counting the actual total number of attendees and dividing it by the actual number of games....regardless of the spin used by the RFL, RFU or anyone else, the basics of mathematics point to the figure to date being about 17k. The failure to grasp basic mathematics is alarmingly rife on here.
Rochdale looks pretty full tonight...Ireland are going to get pasted by the looks of it.'" the person not counting the number of attendees and dividing it by the number of games is you. For some reason you have chosen to either halve the number of attendees to two matches or pretend that one match had no attendees.
The 17k figure you are talking about doesn't refer to anything. Even at stretch there is logic in counting a double header as one event with one 45k attendance. Even it is wrong
There is no logic whatsoever in counting it as 2 matches with 2 22.5k attendances. Even those not familiar with the basic maths you feel so confident about would know only a moron or a troll would simply make up a figure
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| same thread keeps getting ruined from the same people... Enjoy the world cup great games, good atmosphere and generally a positive tournament.
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| Quote the artist="the artist"to get back on track a bit, where do you think the next sellout will be, KC stadium, craven park, workington? wonder just how many games could actually end up sold out'"
England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.
If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!
75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.
If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!
75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.'"
Your figures are wrong.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Your figures are wrong.'"
Really?
45,052 [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-england[/url AND [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalp[/url
7,481 [urlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-deny[/url
13,965* [urlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-to[/url
8,872 [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-ireland[/url
*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....
75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Really?
45,052 [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-england[/url AND [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalp[/url
7,481 [urlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-deny[/url
13,965* [urlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-to[/url
8,872 [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-ireland[/url
*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....
75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.'"
You have only listed 4 attendances.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"Really?
45,052 [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-england[/url AND [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalp[/url
7,481 [urlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-deny[/url
13,965* [urlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-to[/url
8,872 [urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-ireland[/url
*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....
75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.'"
You have only listed 4 attendances. It really would be insane ramblings to list 4 attendances as 5 games.
You are correct, the law of mathematics insist to find an average we add the number of attendances by the number of games.
You have already told us you have divided by 5 games, this necessitates that you have 5 attendances. Perhaps you could provide us with those 5 attendances?
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.
If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!
75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.'"
I agree that the Quarter Finals are shaping up for some big crowds as things stand, and they are the one part of the tournament where ticket pre-sales are understandably low.
If England put in good displays against Ireland & Fiji I can see a good crowd at the DW though, its if they just limp through where it may put fans off.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"You have only listed 4 attendances. It really would be insane ramblings to list 4 attendances as 5 games.
You are correct, the law of mathematics insist to find an average we add the number of attendances by the number of games.
You have already told us you have divided by 5 games, this necessitates that you have 5 attendances. Perhaps you could provide us with those 5 attendances?'"
What I initially said before you baited your hook was 75,370 fans had attended the 5 games so far. Regardless of how much you want to believe that there were 90,000 people at Cardiff, there weren't....The same 45,052 watched both games and therefore are only counted once when defining the average attendance for the tournament. Ticket sales are what determine the recorded attendances.....45,052 people bought 1 ticket each.
Insecurity and desperation are rife amongst certain cliques of Rugby League stalwarts........it's quite embarrassing really that you cling to a few extra fans in the hope that the 30,000 empty seats will be forgotten.
Here's some light reading for you....
[urlhttp://www.gillette4nations.co.uk/4-nations-news/article/726/wood-hails-successful-four-nations[/url
12,491
10,377
42,344
23,447
5,233
34,174
Grand aggregate total of 128,066.......
according to Knock down Nigel...
Quote SmokeyTAThe tournament was watched by more people than have ever turned out for a Four Nations tournament in this country, with an aggregate attendance of over 128,000'"
Now, given there are only 6 attendances above, but 7 games, how come Wood didn't declare "over 170,000 and include the crowd for Wembley twice?
Could it be perchance because he's not as stupid as I think maybe he is and know you are?
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| HOW F*****G HARD IS IT for both gutterfax and SmokeyTA to understand?!
1. The average attendance should be calculated for the 5 games that there have been so far, with a 45k attendance for each of the Cardiff games.
2. The aggregate attendance for the tournament should count the total crowd for the 4 events that there have been so far, counting the 45k once.
They're two separate things and really not that hard to deal with seperately.
Oh, and:
3. We're all getting REALLY fed up of the petty irrelevant sniping from both of you, do it over PM if you must.
Rant over 
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"8,872 announced for tonight's game bringing the total number of fans who have attended games at this RLWC to 75,370.
There still seems some confusion as to the gate at Warrington, but the RLWC official site has that at 13,965, so that's the figure I have used.
2008 first 5 games delivered 72,176, a tad over 4% ahead of that.'"
I know people have taken you to task over this and they are right.
Given that you state the total attendances is 75,370 totalling 4 games (as you will not allow the Wales game as a further attendance, you must therefore leave that out in that case for averaging purposes). The average is therefore 75,370 / 4 = 18,842.
Simples.
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