It is pretty much always the same with these team announcements though, they are often dominated by Wigan, Leeds and Saints etc. if the other teams were producing enough good players then surely you would see it even up by now.

It depends who picks the team

Just look at the current England squad and which academy the players came through (I may have made a couple of errors here but had a go) again not one player from Castleford, Wakefield, Widnes or Hull KR. No matter what there fans try and claim the facts are there to see, they produce virtually no international players, If every club put in the same effort as Leeds/Wigan we would have a far greater pool of quality players to pick from and stand a much better chance against Aus.

England: S Tomkins (Wigan); J Charnley (Wigan), C Ablett (Leeds), R Atkins (Bradford?), R Hall (Leeds); K Sinfield (Leeds), R Chase (NZ); E Crabtree (Huddersfield?), J Roby (St Helens), J Peacock (Bradford), G Hock (Wigan), D Tickle (Halifax), S O'Loughlin (Wigan)
Replacements: R Burrow (Leeds), G Carvell (Leeds), L Mossop (Wigan), J Jones-Buchanan (Leeds)

Gilmore played in the England Academy game at the weekend but missed the cut for whatever reason and Owens has had the combination of injuries and having to bulk up to play SL against him.

This year Widnes have given debuts to Anthony Mullaly,Alex Gerrard, Owens and Gilmore plus if you add Danny Craven and Flynn who were first team players in the championship I'd say Widnes have got a nice amount of home grown players that have played this year.

It isn't a case of teams not producing good enough players it's a case of the best players wanting to go to the teams that win trophies and therefore a kid prefering to go to Wire than Widnes because he knows which side are more likely to have sucess.

I can tell your welsh hull kr for the short time we have been in super league have finished in the top 8 a lot we have finished 4 -7 -7 and at the moment with still time for it to alter 7

Don't brag about finishing 7th. 7th and 8th place the very definition of average. Most on here would agree that those teams don't deserve a play-off spot.

19 of the players in our first team squad are through the academy and have ALL played in super league this season.

Maybe if you produced players of your own you might be bragging about being top of the league instead like us



This thread is nothing to do with where you finish. It is about producing players for the England academy. Hull KR have none.

Very short memory- Have you forgotten the salary cap breach £400k that saved you only a few short seasons ago.

The Broncos have something like 10 juniors playing in the first team regularly (OK so they are at the bottom of the league). The regular back line of Sargeson, Channing(Wales), Caro, Dixon, O'Callaghan(Ireland) are all from the youth development.

The 9's team that are playing next week in the finals are all kids

LMS & Clubb have both broken through into Eng squads.

It just takes time.

Richie Myler.

I do get what you are saying but undo feel its harsh including Widnes in this as we have been out of SL (do near enough funding ourselves) for the vast majority of the pro game. When you mention Castleford though you kind of prove you don't have a clue what your on about!

It's VERY easy to judge on one squad (you can only pick that amount) maybe look at the last 5/6 squads then start to gain a judgement?

Producing 'international players' is FAR from easy. Producing SL level players is each clubs aim and anything above that is great credit to both the club and the individual.

Plus using terms like 'effort' is wrong when some of these clubs are clearly trying very hard yet maybe just not getting the results you desire right now?

Could someone please post the fixtures on here?

Thanks in advance.

Even in 2006 we still had around 12 players which played super league after being brought through by Wigan.

I've asked on the international forum as well mate, are you going down for some games?

I will depending on where they are. I would also like to help if they need it.