Nothing to do with admin, nothing to do with Warrington and nothing to do with spin; actually, I posted a pretty honest opinion that we are over-reliant on imports and expressed my hope that the situation would improve over time. A poor attempt binks - not even up to your usual standard of mediocrity.

As for RA and his continued villification by a small contingent of Hull fans - as I said, I wonder when it will stop.

Michael Monaghan and Trent Waterhouse the only overseas players in our team yesterday.

6 players in the team came through our academy at some point - Chris Riley, Rhys Evans, Rhys Williams, Ben Harrison, Mike Cooper, Paul Wood. Average age yesterday was 26.

I'm sure more youngsters will be given chances during the season, and Lee Mitchell is getting a chance with his loan at Cas.

Hull's 17 had just the 5 homegrown: Horne, Nicklas, Briscoe, Yeaman & Houghton.

What he should have said is that perhaps comparing the use of the said young player with that of a previous coach is unfair.

Perhaps the said young player is now ready for 80 minutes of super league, but previously he wasn't.

That does need to be considered. Who is to say Gentle would have been picking him had he been there 12 months earlier.

Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"What he should have said is that perhaps comparing the use of the said young player with that of a previous coach is unfair. Perhaps the said young player is now ready for 80 minutes of super league, but previously he wasn't. That does need to be considered. Who is to say Gentle would have been picking him had he been there 12 months earlier.'" There was a very open interview with Nicklas in the HDM last month: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html As you rightly say, there's no knowing wether Gentle would have played him last year, but the differences in his training, confidence & preparation under a new coach have meant that he was atleast ready should the opportunity arise.

Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"What he should have said is that perhaps comparing the use of the said young player with that of a previous coach is unfair. Perhaps the said young player is now ready for 80 minutes of super league, but previously he wasn't. That does need to be considered. Who is to say Gentle would have been picking him had he been there 12 months earlier.'" There was a very open interview with Nicklas in the HDM last month: www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html As you rightly say, there's no knowing wether Gentle would have played him last year, but the differences in his training, confidence & preparation under a new coach have meant that he was atleast ready should the opportunity arise.

How frustrating it must have been for you to type that bit in about Hull KR.

Have Hull Kingston Rovers not tried to rectify this situation since coming into SL. We currently have 20+ youngster as I type on a tour of Australia.

Against Leeds we had the following come through our academy.

Kris Welham, Scott Taylor, Jordan Cox,

And the following are all from the city of Hull

Craig Hall, David Hodgson, Graeme Horne, Josh Hodgson, Scott Wheeldon.

That admittedly needs alot of improvement but the time we spent in the lower leagues didn't help because for many years we simply didn't have the cash to run an academy. Rovers will improve this area and a testament is the money they now put into the academy setup.

Same old excuses of "we've only been in SL x amount of years" etc. This is now your 6th season of Superleague.

The five players you've mentioned that are from Hull (but not homegrown as per the thread), just highlights further how poor the academy is, and was a poor cover up attempt.

If you didn't invest so heavily in imports (11 on the books this year?), people may be a little more sympathetic to the lack of homegrown players.

Thank you Shooze.
Despite this Cas remain favourites along with Wakey to lose their franchise next time around because we don't have a shiny new stadium. Shows where some peoples' priorities lie.

And you have relatively poor attendances, and a relatively poor record on the field, and a relatively low turnover, and relatively little money, and relatively low visibility.

The chance Cas give to their youngsters is admirable, its among the best. But lets not pretend that if Cas get a new stadium then they will have done everything they need to. The stadium is the foundation, its the beginning of what needs to be done, not the end.

Ellis is a product of St Helens, he has just had the one year at Leigh

Bollox!

I had cause for optimism initially, seeing a thread entitled "Growing your own" but just like the "Hash Tag" thread, you've let me down like a cheap pair of braces