Nail on head.

Because St Helens, Wakefield and Cas don't have (near) top division football clubs in the town/city like Wigan/Huddersfield/Sheffield/Hull?

Because there isnt a suitable stadium nearby to move into? in the wakefield district the only proffesional sport is rl, so only rl (that doesnt have as many big investors, or funding assistance from its governing body like football has) has stadiums big enough for rl. Sheffield has 3 big stadiums built for other sports that rl can use wheras many areas dont have access to one.

These clubs do not "have" better stadia, they play in better stadia that are owned either by other sports clubs or (e.g. Leigh & Widnes) by the local council. Although there is nothing necessarily wrong with that it does make them less secure than clubs which own their own stadium, e.g. Warrington.

The point is, they have it sorted even if it is a shared ground or it's owned by the council! The point is they are playing in stadia that is up to date.

Get it sorted! They have had years.

This is the dimmest post of the year.

It's all very nice when you can simply move in and pay a spot of rent to a top level football ground that is on the doorstep but if you have not got that luxury and you have to build your own there is a small matter of £20-30 million to find.

As it happens, Saints new stadium plans are about to go out to tender this month and both Cas and Wakey have been striving as hard as they can to secure planning and finances for new stadia. These things all take time. Some councils take longer than others. Some meet with more obstacles than others. What more can they do?

You can't just buy one on Ebay you know?

Your missing my point.

Leigh, Widnes and Halifax have done a lot more so far than the bigger clubs.

I understand it takes a lot of effort and time but these three most of the time being out of super league have been able to do it.

Warrington who a few years ago were a smaller club than now have also been able to do it. Leeds have been able to extend their ground to get it upto standard. Bradford have done the same (although it is a bit crap). Hull KR are very close to building a new stand and yet have only been in super league 3 years.

But all the clubs mentioned have either a sugar daddy to back it or have a supportive council, what happens if you have neither?

Then it's your fault, because the Wigan fan says so

Don't give me that. With good plans any council will be supportive both financially and in any other way they can.

Hard to see Sheffield drawing 8,000+ which should be our aim for any new team.

Tell Wakefield council that, wont give either club a thing, and neither club will share because they both have their own land for stadiums (one already has had ground works done on it mind).