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22/03/2013
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the NU split from the RFU,is that right ?.
because if its wrong the rfl web site needs changing.
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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People have mentioned having 2 leagues in this country for super league maybe an east and west split but I don't think it would work.... a better split for me would be have a super league 1 and super league 2.
Wigan
Leeds
Saints
Bradford
Wire
Hull FC
Hull KR
Widnes
Catalans
Hudds
Cas
Wakey
Crusaders
Quins
Salford
Leigh
Barrow
Fax
Featherstone
Toulouse
Much higher quality in the top league, more close games. Second tier would be a lot stronger than it is now and would get alot more money from the amount of sky games they would get.
This would make the franchising system more progressive.
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| Quote: Odemwingie "People have mentioned having 2 leagues in this country for super league maybe an east and west split but I don't think it would work.... a better split for me would be have a super league 1 and super league 2.'"
Perhaps teams could move between the two "super leagues", depending upon their position in the table at the end of the season? |
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22/03/2013
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| Quote: JonM "Perhaps teams could move between the two "super leagues", depending upon their position in the table at the end of the season?'"
as marty Mcfly might say.
i dont think you folks are ready for that yet.
but your kids are going to love it. |
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| Quote: dally messenger "for the 100th time, RL did not come from rugby union (as controlled by the RFU).
RL came from the northern (rugby) union, a game of union which was administered by a northern governing body, thats where we came from.'"
English not your strong point? How did you get 3 degrees if you cannot answer a simple question?
The RFU was not mentioned. In fact, they were specifically taken out of the question to stop you wriggling off the hook. The question again Not "did the governing body NRFU come from the RFU?" as that is a totally different question.
Did the sport of rugby league come from the sport of rugby union? Yes or No?'"
You can't admit when you're wrong, even when it's put right in front of you that you are. In your millions of explanations to try and wriggle off the hook, you've already admitted it anyway and are now trying to change the argument so it doesn't really matter anyway. Just give yourself a slight bit of credibility and admit it directly.
Quote: dally messenger "unless you think the original rugby game is an invention of the RFU - clearly wronr - then RL has its own independant genesis.'"
Nope, I don't think the RFU invented the original game. Again, not the point being argued.
But if you think RL has it's completely own independent genesis, you are a delusional idiot who is blinded by his own false sense of pride.
Do you REALLY believe that between the time that the RFU was formed and the time the Northern Union broke away the rules of the original Rugby rules football didn't change? The game evolved under the RFU/IRFB, then we broke away and (as you have said) we played the same game in the NRFU.
Therefore, you have already said that we played rugby union. Rugby union was the creation of the RFU, who evolved the rules of the original Rugby school rules of football into the game it became in 1895, which we continued in our own governing body and then evolved into Rugby League. You cannot take out the middle parts to suit you. That is how it happened.
Quote: dally messenger "the game of RL has its roots before the RFU to the game of rugby. both sports originated from the original rugby game and neither can claim ownership of this history'"
That's just idiotic. Of course they can. Both can, should and do claim ownership of this history. And both are right to. It was part of the history of the development of their game. You can go even further back and they can still claim that history, because it is the part of their history. No-one can independently claim that history (which is apparently what you are arguing), but that doesn't mean they both can't. You can go back as far as when people where kicking around skulls and that's part of the history of how each of rugby union, rugby league and association football came to be as they are the earlier forms of "football", which we claim as our history.
Quote: dally messenger "maybe if you read some books on this topic it would help'"
Just because you read books doesn't make you smart.
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| Quote: dally messenger "sorry to get back in but rugby schools rules werent invented by the RFU.
they later codified them but those rules were in place before hand.'"
Yes, and they also later adapted them over the 24 years between when the RFU was formed and the NRFU broke away, thus making it a different game to the one played at Rugby school, and thus making it rugby union (which later saw a new governing body formed and spawn into rugby league). That's how it happened. You've already said, you just won't admit that you said it.
Quote: dally messenger "northern clubs played their part in the development and playing of the game before the RFU came around'"
You've already said this, but still haven't shown how they contributed to the development of the game (other than they played it)...
Quote: dally messenger "the northern union can trace its roots back to rugby school. so can the RFU.'"
Nobody has claimed otherwise.
Quote: dally messenger "sorry to dissappoint you but the RFU get zero credit'"
Doesn't disappoint anyone. Especially me. Can't stand them, but doesn't mean we didn't come from them. They can't take credit for us, but it doesn't mean we didn't come from them.
Quote: dally messenger "rugby was not invented by the RFU, they adopted it from earlier games, games which northern clubs which are older than the RFU played'"
Rugby union was the invention of the RFU. "Rugby" wasn't ever a sport, it's a school. A school where they played their own version of football. That version of football eventually became rugby union, and then spawned rugby league.
Quote: dally messenger "to simplify
The old game being rugby union. Which is the point being made, and the point you keep avoiding even though you've already said we played rugby union before rugby league. Fascinating!
Quote: dally messenger "i am now done'"
You were done ages ago. You just can't admit it. You've been rinsed. Again!
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I like the Super League 2 Idea.
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: dally messenger "thanks for your stupid comment that kicked it all off.'"
When it comes to stupid, I would suggest that you look at the following......
You started this thread with a link  |
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| Quote: gutterfax "When it comes to stupid, I would suggest that you look at the following......
You started this thread with a link ![]()
Loving the quote that sums it up 
So, according to dally:
The bomb comes from an American football forward pass...
Rugby league doesn't come from rugby union...
The RFU have no part in the history of rugby league...
And he's telling other people that they're stupid?
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Hey, dally messenger....you'd better write to the RFL.....according to their siteThat was a practice outlawed at the time by the then Rugby Football Union "
Here...you like URL's.. rlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/history_of_the_sportrl
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Maybe there should be a separate thread on these points? People may not have the proper input on here with this being nothing to do with the original thread. Perhaps more people would like to know that rugby union had nothing to do with the history of how our sport came to be, or that the bomb kick came from an American football forward pass?
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Maybe there should be a separate thread on these points? People may not have the proper input on here with this being nothing to do with the original thread. Perhaps more people would like to know that rugby union had nothing to do with the history of how our sport came to be, or that the bomb kick came from an American football forward pass?'"
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