Why does this generate such bitterness in you?

Agree....crowds at Quins are a disgrace.....good job they are only directly linked to 2 points in the licence process.....by the way, how's the finances at Caravan park? Have you replaced the temporary golf stand yet? Ground suitability and Finances....they too are linked to Licence decisions oh principled one

If we ever lose our licence and Quins somehow keep theirs (should never have got one in the first place IMO), then that's the end for me as an RL fan.





Away support should count for 2 points too IMO, wonder how you'd do with that one, as well as that other one re filling a certain percentage of your ground - only one stand opened on Sunday night by the look of it.

I feel a letter to the RFL coming on …

Having 2 clubs in the same city is a disgrace so one should go, and as one is so obvious inferior to the other, and has been for donkeys years, then it's obvious who should go!

Can I get a bright red shiney train set this year pleeeeasssse Santa

Amen.

So then...in the interest of fairness and to ensure all teams are treated equally, who goes and who stays in the next round of licencing.

We (cas) are on a downward spirral and seem to want to make the rfl's decision to kick us out so much easier.

Unless we do something drastic we are gone next time.

The worst thing is that apart from a minority of hardcore fans nobody else in the area seems to give a toss anymore.

Super League 2012:



Hull KR

Hull FC

Widnes

Wigan

Leeds

St Helens

Bradford

Warrington

Castleford

Huddersfield

Wakefield

Halifax

Keighley (despite Leaguefan's comments!





)

Barrow

Where's the expansion Roofs?

It doesn't work unfortunately.

I didn't know that it was certain there were only going to be 14 teams next season ? I think Widnes are nailed on and rightly so, if one has to drop then it will be wakey or cas depending on stadium issues. However all this talk of criteria will (if this is actually true, we will see) surely benefit the likes of Wakey/Cas/Salford/Quins. I think there is a point for averaging a top 8 finish across 3 seasons, 40% capacity of stadium, no infringement of salary cap, decent youth academy (might be very wrong there!). I know modern stadium requirements count for 1/10 points. Saying all this and that I still think it will come down to Wakey/Cas' stadium developments.



Also despite the dwindling attendances for Quins they will be nailed on just for the purposes of London being represented in RL, which is debatable for some. Crusaders have improved since this new club has been formed. As for Salford... I really don't know about them so can't comment.



So yes Wakey or Cas to go! If the league is only going to have 14 teams that is...

Sat 29 May 2:30 Harlequins U20 46 - 28 Hull KR U20.......yeah, you'd never see a team of young Cockneys putting the mighty HKR kids to the sword would you





These U20's are pretty much the U16's from 4 years ago who were getting tonked by everyone......Oh, hang on, not HKR because you didn't have a yoof set up then did you

You only scrambled one together to get a licence, then nicked players from FC or paid over the odds for hasbeens from both hemispheres......development Hull East Stylie!!!



Principled one, I admire your tenacity, but you do know that without Mr Murdochs shilling, HKR, along with a lot of other teams would go under....I mean, our debts of actually nothing.........(debt, not loss) pale in comparison to your own great club. Our stadium is state of the art, compare to just a state

and we have loads of locally trained lads comming through...even a cockney albanian from feltham.....but you're right, expansion doesn't work.

And after all that what are your crowds like after 30 years?





FYI - You only don't have major debt because of those annual RL payments that we've discussed before.







Oh, and about your away support.....

THAT last post was the definition of a lost argument

Looks like an opinion to me.

He deviated completely to subjects that are irrelevant because he couldn't respond to Gutterfax's post. Game, set and match

I thought a clubs attendances is one of the criteria for a franchise?

Im sure i read somehwhere that away support will be noted in the next round of franchise applictations as well as average home gates.

He's already countered that point with a host of others and your only option was to resort to your original stick.



As for away attendances it simply wont, how can you judge it? I wish some people would use common sense. I'll highlight it again, I NEVER buy away tickets from Warrington's shop despite working in Warry town centre; why? because its too far to walk when im a busy guy and I live on the outskirts of town so its a while out of my way. There's hundreds like me with every club.

Definitely should be IMO, both our clubs would pass with flying colours I reckon.

You're obviously not the brightest.

Read my post above again, how could it be calculated?