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| I think Toronto v London in the MPG, but a lot could depend on how much Salford put into their game against Tolouse, given that I think they will be already safe by then.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "I'm going to stick my neck out and say Toronto will blow it. London and Toulouse are my front runners for the MPG at the moment with London just sneaking it.'"
Before the m8s started I wondered if Toronto might choke. London and Toulouse have both beaten an SL team (Widnes). To get a chance of promotion they must beat either Leeds or Widnes.
Even with Leeds' issues, I can't see Toronto winning that one. If Widnes beat 'fax next weekend it might just give them a bit of a boost ahead of going to Canada.
Basically, Toronto will not get automatic promotion and may still miss out on the MPG.
London is a massive game for us at home next week and if we ease off like we did against Halifax, London have just enough to get one over on us. Points difference is important in such a short league but winning by any margin is more important. Looking at whats left, a minimum of 9 points will get you into the top 3.
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| Quote: Joff "Why are you derailing the topic???
Stop trying to distract from the truth and act responsibly.'"
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| Just to put it out there, it may well be that the MPG becomes irrelevant as there is every chance of a change to the league structure, which may well see SL expanded to 14 clubs, which will ensure the safety of Leeds and allow London, Tolouse and Toronto to replace Widnes.
Tbf, this would give everyone the chance to see just what benefits there may be in having a North American side in SL as well as potentially boosting the game in France, which seems pretty sensible.
I dont know how this may or may not affect Sky funding etc but, it would be the right thing for the game.
THis could also ensure that Bradford and York make it into the Championship although, this would further infuriate the Leigh and Fev fans, who may think that their clubs have missed out.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Just to put it out there, it may well be that the MPG becomes irrelevant as there is every chance of a change to the league structure, which may well see SL expanded to 14 clubs, which will ensure the safety of Leeds
I'd like them to expand SL to 14 for the reasons you mention, but believe we are looking at:
SL - 12 teams, 5 team play offs, 1 up 1 down
Championship - 14 teams, 1 up 1 down
League 1 - 12 teams. 3 up 1 down this season, then 1 up 1 down thereafter.
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| Quote: Grimmy "I'd like them to expand SL to 14 for the reasons you mention, but believe we are looking at
IF we are to have a change in format, ultimately with the aim of accommodating Toronto and Toulouse, then, lets stop
chuffing about and get them into the top flight. It's imperative that we find out whether the inclusion of Toronto is practical and beneficial to the sport before we start thinking any additional N. American clubs.
They (Toronto) should be promoted and then protected from relegation for 2/3 seasons and lets see if it's a good idea.
Personally, I'm still not convinced, although they should be applauded for their efforts in getting as far as they have in such a short space of time. However, until the "model" is proven, we know nothing and we need to know whether they (and others) would be viable in SL before getting too much further down the track.
I really dont see the benefit in waiting another 1,2,3 seasons to find out whether it works.
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| SL isn't going to expand to 14 as that would mean less money per club for at least the next 2 years. And that just ain't going to happen.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Just to put it out there, it may well be that the MPG becomes irrelevant as there is every chance of a change to the league structure, which may well see SL expanded to 14 clubs, which will ensure the safety of Leeds
I don't see this happening if it means that the existing SL clubs receive a smaller slice of the cake. Some big losses being posted again by some of the clubs, many of whom are already petitioning for smaller rations for their championship and league 1 counterparts. The only way it might happen is as a sweetener if extra votes are needed to move along this reform process. Otherwise, forget it. Leeds will get back up ok, should we be relegated (not an impossibility).
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| Quote: Mr Dog "SL isn't going to expand to 14 as that would mean less money per club for at least the next 2 years. And that just ain't going to happen.'"
In the brave new world of expansion and with the possibility of a further French side and Canadian side, plus London, surely, we should be talking to Sky and telling them of the benefits of broadcasting such a diverse and exciting competition.
The would open the top draw, pull out the cheque book and ask "how much", if not, we are wasting our time in expanding the game ??
If, by having these clubs in the comp, there is no more "draw" than there is now, who has been kidding who ?
To listen to some people on here, it would be akin to bringing Christmas forward so, apart from the Turkeys, everyone's a winner.
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| I believe that we should plan for the next TV deal in 2022 by going to 14 clubs in 2022, with Toronto, Toulouse and London, and possibly New York, in the roster, and protected by the restoration of licensing. That should ensure a bigger UK TV contract in 2022, and the possibility of separate French and north American TV contracts.
I have no doubt that Salford will have folded as a Super League club by 2020, or 2021 at the latest, thereby creating the space for all the above mentioned expansion clubs
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "IF we are to have a change in format, ultimately with the aim of accommodating Toronto and Toulouse, then, lets stop
chuffing about and get them into the top flight. It's imperative that we find out whether the inclusion of Toronto is practical and beneficial to the sport before we start thinking any additional N. American clubs.
They (Toronto) should be promoted and then protected from relegation for 2/3 seasons and lets see if it's a good idea.
Personally, I'm still not convinced, although they should be applauded for their efforts in getting as far as they have in such a short space of time. However, until the "model" is proven, we know nothing and we need to know whether they (and others) would be viable in SL before getting too much further down the track.
I really dont see the benefit in waiting another 1,2,3 seasons to find out whether it works.
Oh yeah I agree, what I said above is what I believe we will be getting, based on talking to people in various positions within the game, not what I'd personally like to see happen.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "In the brave new world of expansion and with the possibility of a further French side and Canadian side, plus London, surely, we should be talking to Sky and telling them of the benefits of broadcasting such a diverse and exciting competition.
The would open the top draw, pull out the cheque book and ask "how much", if not, we are wasting our time in expanding the game ??
If, by having these clubs in the comp, there is no more "draw" than there is now, who has been kidding who ?
To listen to some people on here, it would be akin to bringing Christmas forward so, apart from the Turkeys, everyone's a winner.
Yeah, right.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "IF we are to have a change in format, ultimately with the aim of accommodating Toronto and Toulouse, then, lets stop
chuffing about and get them into the top flight. It's imperative that we find out whether the inclusion of Toronto is practical and beneficial to the sport before we start thinking any additional N. American clubs.
They (Toronto) should be promoted and then protected from relegation for 2/3 seasons and lets see if it's a good idea.
Personally, I'm still not convinced, although they should be applauded for their efforts in getting as far as they have in such a short space of time. However, until the "model" is proven, we know nothing and we need to know whether they (and others) would be viable in SL before getting too much further down the track.
I really dont see the benefit in waiting another 1,2,3 seasons to find out whether it works.
You can’t protect one team from relegation, that’s just unfair. You have to protect all teams from relegation if you want to help one club develop.
Imagine Wigan or Leeds getting relegated even with finishing above Toronto...
That mean no promotion and relegation, end it, closed shop unless you show you’re a SL club worthy of adding to the competition.
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