I can accept that the weather played a huge part in the game. The weather is no excuse for the utterly dreadful match though.



And if the players knew the ball was terrible and the conditions were horrible then they needed to alter their game plans accordingly. Hull didn't seem to bother. Wigan seemed to do so a tiny bit, and that seems to have been enough to win the game.

It plays a huge part but it's no excuse? Eh?


You're answered your own comment there. Wigan played the conditions better. There were errors on both sides but Wigan made fewer.


Please point out where I've tried to persuade anyone the game wasn't "so bad"? Oh, I haven't. You're not doing very well here.

I haven't said it wasn't a crap game. Even as a Wigan fan the poor quality was clear - but when the you're only 10 points ahead until the 79th minute in a final it's still tense.

By the way, in 2012 Warrington scored 29 of their 35 points when it wasn't raining.

The players are excused for some of the errors that happened during the game because of the conditions.

They are not excused for that pitifully poor game of RL though. The weather didn't force the game to be so utterly awful, the players did.



And it still doesn't alter the fact that it was probably the worst CCF in living memory.



Even if I'm doing very badly, I'm still being 5,000 times more entertaining than the players at Wembley were today.

So if you're not trying to persuade anyone that the game wasn't so bad, wtf are you doing?

So presumably some mystical force reduced all the players' skill levels just prior to kick-off? Or perhaps they forgot their job is to entertain neutrals rather than play for the win, which also means playing to the conditions?

But you're rightAnd it still doesn't alter the fact that it was probably the worst CCF in living memory.'"

You are an idiot.

it was a very poor final, but lets be honest if your team won that final would you care?...i wouldnt

They're were all superleague teams the last time I checked?.. With the exception of leigh of course. Not our fault the standard is so low. There was no arguements in 2011 when we beat saints wire and leeds to win the trophy..



The game was crap yesterday, Off course it was, But I genuinely didn't expect anything different, it's typical of Rugby League fans to just do nothing but moan about the sport that they "love".

Hull were absolutely dire and Wigan just went through the motions and did what they needed to do.


There was about 20 minutes of torrential rain last year btw and then the sun came back out... absolutely nothing like the game yesterday.

Agreed. What a totally pointless point he was trying to make. Catalan were knocked out. Yet should have played for the reason of being French. Why not saints Warrington Doncaster Wrexham in fact anyone who was not good enough to make the final.

I am a fair weather CC final fan and as soon as it was decided that it was Wigan v FC there was not an offer in the world that would have got me there!

In response to the original question, without doubt it's the worst cup final I've ever seen. I've no doubt Hull will be moaning about the ball as an excuse for their appalling handling, but a lot of the dropped ball bounced straight off chests, arms, shoulders without even touching a players hands. I found it embarrassing to watch to be honest.

I remember a spell of heavy rain in both the previous finals. On each occasion Leeds had been trailing, but lifted their game during the rain and brought the scores closer.

Yesterday's rain was heavier during the schools final and there was more skill in that match than the stars served up later. Is the Wycombe loose forward with an academy? He was putting in great hits and scored four times.

As a neutral what you want most of all is a competitive game.

At the match i genuinely thought it was competitive, i spent most of the second half waiting for Hull to do something because they had to at some point. I didn't really feel comfortable until about 4 mins to go and only started celebrating when Sam scored. I thought it was a tense and exciting final played in dreadful conditions (there were football games abandoned in the capital).

However, having watch the game at home without the tension, for the neutral it was a poor game, nowhere near as bad as some are suggesting. It must have been incredibly frustrating for the Hull fans. Tactically we got it spot on, for them i thought Miller froze and we forced Holdsworth to make over 30 tackles, those combined contributed massively to the result. Defences were certainly on top, in those conditions they usually are as it's harder to attack therefore easier to defend. There was a Leeds fan in front of me (nice lady BTW), she commented after about 60 how poor the game was, i replied if Hull had taken the 3 easily kickable penalties and it was 8 - 6 instead of 8 nil what would you think then? As a spectacle all it needed was a few points from Hull and you have a very different perspective of the game.

You missed my point. I didn't say that Catalans should have played because they were French. I mentioned the fact that they were French as a bonus, giving an international flavor to the event. The main reason why Catalans would have been more worthy opponents is that, at full strength, they would have served up a much more competitive attack than what the Hull Dropsies were able to mount, and thus made the game more entertaining for all and sundry.

Just watching back on iplayer now. The defensive speed and reads that Hull manage are immense! OK, there was too much dropped ball, some of which can be attributed to weather and some to big game nerves, but how anyone can not appreciate the clinical and brutal defence on display is beyond me and I've no doubt it is indicative of the type of fan who thinks lots of points on the board are all that's needed for "entertainment". There is more than one dimension to rugby league, try to enjoy them all you miserable gets!