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| I've mulled over this and I'm edging towards no.
For a club like Cas, the income we get from a game like the Bulls on matchday is significant compared to the likes of say, Huddersfield.
But there is a moral decision. If it was administration and exit through CVA then no. But if the club go bust and are liquidated then they should be relegated. The clubs in the divisions below should get to have their day in the sun too and so I think it's only right if Bradford are not given back their licence.
Equally, not having Bradford in Super League - purely for selfish reasons - means that we have a realistically higher chance of finishing higher up the table, winning more games and also looking at better players, which in turn can drive up our own income.
Additionally, for sporting and rugby league reasons, having Bradford down in the lower leagues for a couple of seasons will add massive value to any television contract down in the Championships, sponsorships and also attendances. The profile of having such a team in those divisions could help strengthen the game in some respects. Having stronger lower divisions is significant if we're ever going to grow the game and have more competitive leagues and teams.
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| Anyone can play in super league ,widnes have proved it this year
They finished mid table in the championship and still won matches this season imagine if they had promoted one of the good ones?
You keep the poop that is the bulls we don't want them cluttering up our league
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| Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "Yes they should stay in super league. I support wigan and I think they should stay in the super league because there is not one championship club who could realistically take their place.
I'm in favour for a return to promotion and relegation though and I hope we scrap the franchising system.'"
So you don't think there is a club strong enough to replace Bradford but would bring back P&R and guarantee one of these clubs that 'can't realistically take their place' a place in SL every season?
to answer the OP, I would like to see Bradford survive, ideally in SL and rebuild back to their glory days, I can't see this being acheived with P&R due to cost of over-reaching to avoid relegation!
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| I don't think they should be automatically relegated but I would put up their franchise for applications. If a Championship side have a better application than them then they go, if not they stay.
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| i have heard that 5 clubs may say no to the bulls being in super league.
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| Castleford Fan, And for me, They should have their license revoked.
Us and Wakefield are busting a gut, To gain new stadiums to satisfy the RFL's franchise dream, Meanwhile, they are perfectly capable of satisfying their current needs at the club (They never sell out). We are running ourselves into a financial mire and are at risk of been removed from SL. Meanwhile, Bradford have failed to run a stable business and that is one of the key objectives of a Franchise.
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| Quote: Alex J "I don't think they should be automatically relegated but I would put up their franchise for applications. If a Championship side have a better application than them then they go, if not they stay.'"
But who decides? 12 months ago the Bulls were awarded a B licence, so do you sugest the same people?
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| Quote: Dettoriman "Castleford Fan, And for me, They should have their license revoked.
Us and Wakefield are busting a gut, To gain new stadiums to satisfy the RFL's franchise dream, Meanwhile, they are perfectly capable of satisfying their current needs at the club (They never sell out). We are running ourselves into a financial mire and are at risk of been removed from SL. Meanwhile, Bradford have failed to run a stable business and that is one of the key objectives of a Franchise.'"
Maybe the current needs of the clubs are affected by the stadia they have?
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| Quote: Starbug "But who decides? 12 months ago the Bulls were awarded a B licence, so do you sugest the same people?'" [iBradford Bulls provided a solid submission detailing a strategy, tactical plan and targets to achieve improved commercial and financial performance. The club has a solid fan base, a strong brand and good operating structure/governance in place. However the club faces some challenges. These include the local economic environment, poor recent on-field performance and an ageing facility. The application acknowledges these challenges; however the club believes that its business plan for the next three years will move it to a position of sustainability with good prospects for further growth. The club has invested heavily in its youth performance programme in recent years, and it is expected that the club will soon start to reap the rewards of this investment with improved performances and increased numbers of quality club-trained players.[/i
Which part of the previous review of them do you suggest is wrong?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "[iBradford Bulls provided a solid submission detailing a strategy, tactical plan and targets to achieve improved commercial and financial performance. The club has a solid fan base, a strong brand and good operating structure/governance in place. However the club faces some challenges. These include the local economic environment, poor recent on-field performance and an ageing facility. The application acknowledges these challenges; however the club believes that its business plan for the next three years will move it to a position of sustainability with good prospects for further growth. The club has invested heavily in its youth performance programme in recent years, and it is expected that the club will soon start to reap the rewards of this investment with improved performances and increased numbers of quality club-trained players.[/i
Which part of the previous review of them do you suggest is wrong?'"
Are you smoking crack cocaine?
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| No.
Just like Wakefield should have gone, the Crusaders did go eventually.
A points deduction only is really not good enough of a punishment for a team that is so poorly run it has to go into administration to get out of paying up what they owe (especially when the points deduction really does not matter at all anymore thanks to franchising).
Drop them into the Championship, C1 would be too big of a drop.
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| I cannot see how a club with an 11,000 fan base can be kicked out.
However, nor can i see a justification for simply sweeping the whole mess under the carpet and forgetting it ever happened. There has to be a critical deterrent for club owners to prevent them doing what Bradford have done - without consequence. But what can that deterrent be when there is a lack of quality clubs queueing up to potentially take a place of a failed SL club? The longer term consequence of what's happened is a real headache for the RFL.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "[iBradford Bulls provided a solid submission detailing a strategy, tactical plan and targets to achieve improved commercial and financial performance. The club has a solid fan base, a strong brand and good operating structure/governance in place. However the club faces some challenges. These include the local economic environment, poor recent on-field performance and an ageing facility. The application acknowledges these challenges; however the club believes that its business plan for the next three years will move it to a position of sustainability with good prospects for further growth. The club has invested heavily in its youth performance programme in recent years, and it is expected that the club will soon start to reap the rewards of this investment with improved performances and increased numbers of quality club-trained players.[/i
Which part of the previous review of them do you suggest is wrong?'"
Good operating structure/governance, perhaps?
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| Quote: Starbug "Good operating structure/governance, perhaps?'"
"the club believes that its business plan for the next three years will move it to a position of sustainability "
I believe that i will be hit by a meteor and will obtain stretchy powers in all my limbs as a consequence. The BMA have ratfied my beliefs by not looking at the documents i have submitted to back up my beliefs.
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| Quote: littlerich "Are you smoking crack cocaine?'"
He's on a wind up. Always has been, always will be.
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