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| Quote Leyther_Matt="Leyther_Matt"But how many clubs do you actually think 'took up' the offer when considering the strings attached to said £100,000? Particularly when bearing in mind that the wage of a full-time CEO would take a hefty chunk of said £100,000.'"
So clubs desperate for money may refuse £100K - surely not?
Most CEOs / GMs of c clubs will be on less than £50K.
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"So clubs desperate for money may refuse £100K - surely not?
Most CEOs / GMs of c clubs will be on less than £50K.'"
The CEO string is just one of the many, as I understand it.
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"'"
Is this 100k that they are free to spend on whatever they choose? no it isnt so read my post again. Why do championship clubs not get to decide how to spend money they are given but sl clubs can? I'm pretty sure sky do make money out of championship games through advertising as they do when they show all of there sports, if they didnt they wouldnt show them.
Once again how do you know what this money would be spent on? any tv rights money would be spent on a number of things, as it is with sl clubs, which have shown investment can reap big rewards.
Where did i say that any club was bailed out with money they werent entitled to? you do really need to start reading my post better. i'm saying clubs have helped themselves out of financial trouble with sky money (which they are entitled to) i'm also saying championship clubs should be entitled to do the same by letting them have a fair share of the sky monies.
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| Quote tb="tb"£100k – subject to strings regarding a full time professioinal chief executive and marketing operation, iirc.'"
Nope.
It's up to £100k - it's not a defined amount per club. £100k is the maximum a club can get but the amount each club gets differs depending on criteria and circumstances - it can be anywhere from £0 to £100k. Additionally, the money isn't just given over by the RFL - the club has to employ the person first and then apply for the money to cover their employment cost, if the RFL reject the application then the club is left with a salary to pay that it often can't afford.
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"You said that because I did not give the figures that it followed that I did not know if c clubs got sky money. the first point does not logically determine the 2nd. It is an illogical conclusion to draw from your 1st comment.
People have suspicions about me?
Goodness, what dull lives they have. They should get out more.'"
No. I asked you what the figures where. I assumed you must have know. You certainly gave the impression you knew what exact figures were. TB kindly replied with the figure £100k. Is all the £100k from money the RFL have to allocate to clubs from SKY. Do you know?
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| Quote Derwent="Derwent"Nope.
It's up to £100k - it's not a defined amount per club. £100k is the maximum a club can get but the amount each club gets differs depending on criteria and circumstances - it can be anywhere from £0 to £100k. Additionally, the money isn't just given over by the RFL - the club has to employ the person first and then apply for the money to cover their employment cost, if the RFL reject the application then the club is left with a salary to pay that it often can't afford.'"
yep.
That's why I made a point of saying "subject to strings". As it happens I have a lot of sympathy with the view that clubs (whether in SL or the championship) are selling the rights to their games and should get a straight fee for that.
However, I also have a degree of sympathy with the view that the RFL should be encouraging clubs to be run more professionally, so they don't end up facing, eg, winding-up orders for not having paid tax they owe (whether that's income tax deducted from players salaries, national insurance contributions, VAT or whatever).
ps: I also understand, iirc, that the total pot available wouldn't cover every club getting the maximum £100k.
But it's not true that championship clubs get no money from the TV deal.
This is an improvement on when they got none from the last Sky deal (from 2006) which didn't pay for the rights to broadcast NL1 &2 games, but was itself an improvement on the British Eurosport deal being touted, where we would have had to pay the TV company for the games to be broadcast. And I hope the next TV deal is an improvement on the current one.
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| Quote RoughyedWatcher="RoughyedWatcher"In reply to whoever it was that asked was it Oldham Bears that played in the WCC. Yes it was. They were one of only two or three British clubs who actually won a game against Australian opposition.'"
What a night that was. Happier days.
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| Quote RooRoo="RooRoo"In 1997 we (sorry, the Bears) lost to NQC 54-16 and Adelaide 42-14 in Aus.
We then beat NQC in Oldham 20-16 and lost 18-2 to Adelaide.
I think thats it.'"
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| Quote tb="tb"
However, I also have a degree of sympathy with the view that the RFL should be encouraging clubs to be run more professionally, so they don't end up facing, eg, winding-up orders for not having paid tax they owe (whether that's income tax deducted from players salaries, national insurance contributions, VAT or whatever).
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I have long advocated that the RFL should provide a central admin bureau for clubs that took the administrative cost burden from them and also ensured that PAYE, VAT etc was dealt with efficiently. If, for example, the RFL had a central payroll dept that handled payments for club employees and the subsequent payments to HMRC, then issues would be flagged up much earlier. The RFL would seek reimbursement from the clubs and if a club did not meet it's obligation then the RFL have an early warning sign that a club is in trouble.
Another area where it could work is in marketing and commercial operations. For example, negotiate with one kit manufacturer for the rights to make all club's kits to ensure a lower unit cost for replica jerseys and hence more profit for clubs.
Personally I think they could quite easily be set up and use up much less of the central funding than is used now, but it will never happen because it goes against the "we've always done it this way" ethos.
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| Quote Derwent="Derwent"I have long advocated that the RFL should provide a central admin bureau for clubs that took the administrative cost burden from them and also ensured that PAYE, VAT etc was dealt with efficiently. If, for example, the RFL had a central payroll dept that handled payments for club employees and the subsequent payments to HMRC, then issues would be flagged up much earlier. The RFL would seek reimbursement from the clubs and if a club did not meet it's obligation then the RFL have an early warning sign that a club is in trouble.
Another area where it could work is in marketing and commercial operations. For example, negotiate with one kit manufacturer for the rights to make all club's kits to ensure a lower unit cost for replica jerseys and hence more profit for clubs.
Personally I think they could quite easily be set up and use up much less of the central funding than is used now, but it will never happen because it goes against the "we've always done it this way" ethos.'"
Some very good ideas there, it may be a long shot but it might be worth e-mailing to the rfls financing department.
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| Quote Derwent="Derwent"I have long advocated that the RFL should provide a central admin bureau for clubs that took the administrative cost burden from them and also ensured that PAYE, VAT etc was dealt with efficiently. If, for example, the RFL had a central payroll dept that handled payments for club employees and the subsequent payments to HMRC, then issues would be flagged up much earlier. The RFL would seek reimbursement from the clubs and if a club did not meet it's obligation then the RFL have an early warning sign that a club is in trouble.
Another area where it could work is in marketing and commercial operations. For example, negotiate with one kit manufacturer for the rights to make all club's kits to ensure a lower unit cost for replica jerseys and hence more profit for clubs.
Personally I think they could quite easily be set up and use up much less of the central funding than is used now, but it will never happen because it goes against the "we've always done it this way" ethos.'"
I know, why not have a weekly program thats available at, and covers, every game
Oooo, hang on a minute. That's not worked as some clubs still insist on producing their own. Oldham included.
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| Quote Roary="Roary"I know, why not have a weekly program thats available at, and covers, every game
Oooo, hang on a minute. That's not worked as some clubs still insist on producing their own. Oldham included.'"
Because said weekly programme was basically a re-hash of League Express. That, and our own programme is a damn fine publication.
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