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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"It caused a bit of a mess when they pulled out.'"
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You could have used a better turn of phrase. We know the Bradford Bill may well be f(((ked but really....eugh 
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| So, only if Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd take control, is the 6point penalty confirmed? If someone else takes over then the circumstances for sanctions will be re-assessed? Thats how it's reading to me, from all the various statements that have been made.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Surely any deal will have a cooling off clause, assuming this has been invoked in time, the players would automatically return to being employees of okbulls, and this run by the administrators again? This is the only way around the TUPE problem I can think of, and RHP says the players contracts are with the administrators ...'"
Not only that, but some of the Contracts have been improved (Sidlow & Gale). Now if I was a creditor and expecting to get very little back I would be more than a little upset by that. Think through the implications and complications of that, are or should Mark Moore and his board be personally liable for the increased liability on those two contracts?
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Roll Up Roll Up - Half Time Tag Team will be in the Blue Corner Mark 'Mr Slippery' Moore & Andrew 'Mr Adroit' Calvert & in the Brown Corner Omar 'Mr Foolhardy' Khan & 'The Invisible Man' (Gerry Sutcliffe).
This bout to be refereed by Nigel 'Three Seats' Wood with respective seconds of Ralph 'Raging Bull' Rimmer & Blake 'Mr Pragmatic' Solly.
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| So if the bulls came out of administration with Moore & co and have now gone back into administration,is there another points deduction on the cards?
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows"
It would also solve issues like the ground etc. Of course had the RFL shot the Bulls down before the season opened, which is Smokey's prefered option, no one would be able to offer to buy the Bulls.'"
We would be in exactly the same position, only earlier without the threat of ruining an entire season.
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| Quote j.c="j.c"So if the bulls came out of administration with Moore & co and have now gone back into administration,is there another points deduction on the cards?'"
No as far as I am aware as the RFL have not ratified the ownership which I was corrected on earlier.
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| Quote Bull Mania="Bull Mania"No as far as I am aware as the RFL have not ratified the ownership which I was corrected on earlier.'"
So who have they applied the points deduction to?
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| it looks like the points deduction has been applied to the actual team that plays in the SL....not any specific owner
"For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition."
So from that statement if the debt is paid off by new owners they could re-instate the points..??
the Sanctions of special measures looks like it was only for the BB2014
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| Quote pie.warrior="pie.warrior"it looks like the points deduction has been applied to the actual team that plays in the SL....not any specific owner
"For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition."
So from that statement if the debt is paid off by new owners they could re-instate the points..??
the Sanctions of special measures looks like it was only for the BB2014'"
how can a team have debt if we are treating it as a different entity from the company which owns it?
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| that's the problem, no playing side would ever have debts if old owners go bust and new owners buy from admin. The RFL apply any penalties of points deductions to the team actually playing on the field as that is the only constant, yes we know that the players didn't run the club and cause the debts but the RFL have it in their rules that it is the playing side that suffer points deductions
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| Quote pie.warrior="pie.warrior"that's the problem, no playing side would ever have debts if old owners go bust and new owners buy from admin. The RFL apply any penalties of points deductions to the team actually playing on the field as that is the only constant, yes we know that the players didn't run the club and cause the debts but the RFL have it in their rules that it is the playing side that suffer points deductions'"
But that doesnt make sense, they explained that they applied the penalty to the club owned by Mark Moores company. That transaction was never completed. The Club is still in administration and still nominally owned by OKBulls. There is a scope that the same company who went in to administration could be the one who comes out of it. THe RFL have been very clear that the process of coming out of admin (i.e paying debts etc) is important to the level of the penalty. As the club have yet to come out of admin, how is that penalty set? What if someone does buy it and does everything different?
The way i see if the RFL are to be in any way consistent with their own rules and statements they would need to waive the 6 point deduction until such time as the club does come out of admin and reasses then, or treat this as a 2nd insolvency event.
Right now, we have the RFL applying a penalty to the Bradford Bulls playing side, in part, for the behaviour of a club which never owned it.
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