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| Quote: Saddened! "Serious questions need to be asked at the end of the season about the refereeing as there are so many inconsistencies and too many times when referees are influencing games.'"
Serious questions need to be asked about those people who are placing the blame on the ref and Warrington for that game and whether they should be allowed to even watch another game of RL.
Either have to be trolling, extremely pro Toronto or very anti Warrington. The poster trying to make something out of Goodwin separating a fight into some sort of vicious attack on the neck is one of the most embarrassing POV's of an incident I've ever heard.
As for Thaler, I felt for the guy. You could see he didn't want to have to keep blowing his whistle continuously but Toronto left him no choice and you could see how frustrated he was. Anybody who thought he did bad or was to blame really are delusional.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "
Either have to be trolling, extremely pro Toronto or very anti Warrington.'"
Probably a combination of all three.
What the wire game did show us is that none, not one of that Wolfpack team will be required if/when they hit Superleague.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Toronto didn't cover themselves in glory today, but neither did Ben Thaler. There was a lot of talk about referees 'losing control' after the Featherstone and Hull game and I think today again you saw a referee out of his depth. The first half hour was atrocious from a discipline perspective. Toronto came with a gameplan to be rough and tough and throw it around and see what happened. Warrington were just as aggressive and if anything worse from a disciplinary perspective up to the incident under the sticks. How many hair pulls were there on Kaye and Simms before that? Three or four at least and there were countless flops and swinging arms on tackled players, ridiculous sledging and chest-beating and Thaler did very little about it.
Then the incident under the post happens. There were a few punches thrown in that as well, just too many bodies around for them to connect. Thaler clearly got really flustered by that and for me the game turned, not on the red card, but on what Thaler did then. He broke it up and tells Hill to take his players back to the half way line and he'll talk to him then. Hill makes a flippant comment, brushes past him and starts it again, sledging and pushing and shoving. If anyone is talking about pub league rugby and pub league behaviour, that was it. What does Thaler do? Absolutely nothing, not a thing, just tells him really nervously not to do it again, which again is met with a flippant comment and backchat.
Fast forward to the yellow, just ridiculously harsh. No malice in that at all, Thaler all riled up against Toronto for some reason. The red comes up and Thaler is itching to send him off, cannot wait. That whole incident was ridiculous. The Warrington player has no right to kick it off after the play the ball, initial penalty should be Toronto's. They square up, Warrington player takes a huge risk and butts head with him. The punch was the weakest, feeblest connection there has ever been and it's now a red? For me that sets a huge precedent now, ANY punch is now an automatic red card, because he was being held by two men and it was no more than a slight push to the face. Red card is given and a string of penalties go Warrington's way. All penalties you could give technically, but absolutely none of them had any context in the game, they weren't gaining an advantage from it, he was just punishing any slight indiscretion because he had a major bag on about Toronto. He was ignoring the same minor indiscretions from Warrington. It was unprofessional and embarrassing from him as much as the Toronto team.
McCrone as Captain is entitled to question the referee. Nothing he said was anywhere near as disrespectful as what Hill said or did. All he said was it's a two way street, you've given us nothing and you're not treating us with respect. All completely true. Thaler was like my Mum when I was 6 there, unwilling to talk like an adult should, just sent me to my room without listening to anything, hiding behind the sanctity of being my Mum. I'm all for ref's being respected, but they've got to keep their side of the bargain.
At the end of the day Warrington were going to have the quality to win that game. Thaler, whether in panic or determination not to have another Fev v Hull 'on his watch' was deliberately refereeing one side differently to the other. Serious questions need to be asked at the end of the season about the refereeing as there are so many inconsistencies and too many times when referees are influencing games.'"
What a load of old tosh !
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| Saddened! is either an expansion lover, or dislikes Warrington. Amazing long post, full of drivel.
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| Conviently timed, the RFL are advertising a referee's course. I wonder if the many closet match officials on here would be willing to take up the whistle?
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| Quote: Willzay "Conviently timed, the RFL are advertising a referee's course. I wonder if the many closet match officials on here would be willing to take up the whistle?'"
Given what we know they only want people to toe the party line, they aren't interested in change, they can't/won't accept that how they are doing things is not just badly managed but is having a massively detrimental effect on the game as a whole not just individual results.
If you think that if some people on here apply and stick through the garbage of getting through the ranks (as storied on here a couple of years ago) will change anything you're sadly mistaken.
It not only needs investment, it needs professionals, something that Ganson et al are not, that and a complete shake down in how the RFL approaches how the sport is officiated because currently there is so much wrong in how that is done that no individual will make a jot of difference.
They don't even understand the basics of human psychology and why most human beings tasked with winning and as a part of that physically and mentally beating their opposition will behave to do so.
They cannot grasp how you deal with this, they fail to look back as to why officials back in the old days were able to control certain aspects massively better. Yes there are some aspects that have improved but the overall is far far worse.
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| Quote: Call Me God "Interesting and absolute farcical claim. Toronto had Robert Hicks in the middle for their match with Dewsbury......so they've already had a SL referee and an award winning one at that!
Rowley coached sides always try to bully teams.....it's nowt new and if they go up he'll be replaced by an Aussie coach or they'll be straight back down, but referees being instructed to turn a blind eye is fantasy level stuff
What award has he won? Worst ref ever? Thaler is a proper, decent RL ref. IMO the only one we've got.
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| Quote: majorhound "What award has he won? Worst ref ever? Thaler is a proper, decent RL ref. IMO the only one we've got.'"
Bentham wasn't bad, but now that I think about it...has Bentham actually reffed a game since that collision with Houston?
I know he's been a video ref plenty of times since then but I can't ever remember seeing him on the pitch reffing?
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| Quote: majorhound "What award has he won? Worst ref ever? Thaler is a proper, decent RL ref. IMO the only one we've got.'"
I agree, Thaler is the only decent ref out of the bunch.
Kendal and Childs are well below par. Hicks and Hewer are not as bad, but still no where near consistent enough.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "As for Thaler, I felt for the guy. You could see he didn't want to have to keep blowing his whistle continuously but Toronto left him no choice and you could see how frustrated he was. Anybody who thought he did bad or was to blame really are delusional.'"
I felt the same - he was clearly trying his best to persuade and cajole the captains into addressing the issues for some time before he started dismissing people; I guess it's indicative of the habit of hearing a ref say "talk to you players and sort it out, or I will," then walking back into the line saying nothing, and smirking like a kid who's got away with being naughty.
I'm not sure what else he was supposed to do - it was a ridiculous display of petulant unprofessionalism and thuggery, and they got everything they deserved; well played Mr Thaler - he should run courses for other refs on how to deal with idiots on the field.
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| Quote: bren2k " it was a ridiculous display of petulant unprofessionalism and thuggery, and they got everything they deserved; well played Mr Thaler - he should run courses for other refs on how to deal with idiots on the field.'"
Well said they played us in the cup last season and they bashed the hell out of our boys. I did post on the Warrington forum when they got this draw that I felt sorry for them and to be prepared for a busy medical room.
It all went as expected with Rowley's bar room brawlers.
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| Quote: Nothus "Bentham wasn't bad, but now that I think about it...has Bentham actually reffed a game since that collision with Houston?
I know he's been a video ref plenty of times since then but I can't ever remember seeing him on the pitch reffing?'"
He has a broken leg.
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| Quote: bren2k "I'm not sure what else he was supposed to do - it was a ridiculous display of petulant unprofessionalism and thuggery, and they got everything they deserved; well played Mr Thaler - he should run courses for other refs on how to deal with idiots on the field.'"
There is as much nonsense on the Thaler side as there is on the 'he's corrupt' side. Thuggery? There wasn't a bad challenge or incident in the whole game.
The problem with Thaler's showing was that he didn't referee both sides the same. The lack of discipline up to the flare up under the posts was very even, yet only Toronto copped the punishment for that. If Thaler had sin binned Hill under the posts like he should have I'd possibly have sympathised with him, instead he was ultra pedantic with Toronto and lenient/normal with Warrington. A yellow for Hill and Simms under the sticks would have sorted that whole issue out.
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| Quote: Saddened! "There is as much nonsense on the Thaler side as there is on the 'he's corrupt' side. Thuggery? There wasn't a bad challenge or incident in the whole game.
The problem with Thaler's showing was that he didn't referee both sides the same. The lack of discipline up to the flare up under the posts was very even, yet only Toronto copped the punishment for that. If Thaler had sin binned Hill under the posts like he should have I'd possibly have sympathised with him, instead he was ultra pedantic with Toronto and lenient/normal with Warrington. A yellow for Hill and Simms under the sticks would have sorted that whole issue out.'"
McCrone stepped over the line of bringing the game into disrepute. Its not ref its Sir.
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