Quote: kobashi "Wearing masks and social distancing was totally correct. I will argue lockdown never needed to be so long and that's about it. The alternative was be like Sweden and do nothing to get herd immunity. That never worked out too well for them. How about India and how there government mishandled things.'" Masks only make outcomes worse, much like the majority of so called PPE, studies done in operating theatres prove that infections are more prevelent when masks are worn against non mask wearing. You need to have a basic grasp of what PPE actually is, why it's always the last form of having positive health and safety outcomes as well as k owing risk compenation/risk homeostasis means. 'Social distancing' also has a huge overall negative impact on pubic health. Removing the elderly from family and friends causing even greater isolation is one of the singularly biggest causes of advanced death, this includes the effects of mental health as a whole, several studies have been done on this, the increase in mortality is 26% according to this, !https://www.pnas.org/content/110/15/5797 see also this study where it raises to a peak 48% increase https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/behin ... 4-04-2013/ We also know that social distancing has a massive effect on all age groups, children particularly are negatively affected, we know for a fact that suicides/suicide attempts have increased around 69% according to London Ambulance service, being socially isoltated and social distanced has a massive impact on people's mental health, to ignore that isn't just niave. https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-n ... e-19183036 that's before you even get to the billions spent on enforcing social distancing that could have been spent on proper health and social care in communities. As for Sweden, please explain what didn't work out too well for them?

Quote: kobashi "Wearing masks and social distancing was totally correct. I will argue lockdown never needed to be so long and that's about it. The alternative was be like Sweden and do nothing to get herd immunity. That never worked out too well for them. How about India and how there government mishandled things.'" Masks only make outcomes worse, much like the majority of so called PPE, studies done in operating theatres prove that infections are more prevelent when masks are worn against non mask wearing. You need to have a basic grasp of what PPE actually is, why it's always the last form of having positive health and safety outcomes as well as k owing risk compenation/risk homeostasis means. 'Social distancing' also has a huge overall negative impact on pubic health. Removing the elderly from family and friends causing even greater isolation is one of the singularly biggest causes of advanced death, this includes the effects of mental health as a whole, several studies have been done on this, the increase in mortality is 26% according to this, !https://www.pnas.org/content/110/15/5797 see also this study where it raises to a peak 48% increase https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/behin ... 4-04-2013/ We also know that social distancing has a massive effect on all age groups, children particularly are negatively affected, we know for a fact that suicides/suicide attempts have increased around 69% according to London Ambulance service, being socially isoltated and social distanced has a massive impact on people's mental health, to ignore that isn't just niave. https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-n ... e-19183036 that's before you even get to the billions spent on enforcing social distancing that could have been spent on proper health and social care in communities. As for Sweden, please explain what didn't work out too well for them?

What a self centred attitude, your ok so stuff the rest. Please how you can explain to my next door neighbour why she is now a widow & why she is still ill with the effects of this awful virus.. they may well have caught it from someone under 40 who had no symptoms. It has always been about protecting the vulnerable not those at low risk.

No it has always been about protecting the NHS and making sure it didn't crumble.

The government don't care about such a small number of deaths, what they wanted to stop was hospitalisations.

Self ed? No.

I had no issue accepting from early on the virus was here and we have to live with it rather than locking down industries for so long and making everyone stsy in there homes fior months on end a better balance was to be met. Having things like cancer treatments, life changing surgeries etc put on the back burner for months on end was ridiculous.

That's the spirit...

Back on topic.
The Aussies and Kiwis are frantically trying to sort out the Union bloodyslow series, which was meant to be played in Auckland, Perth, then Wellington. As we've shut our borders to the criminal element for 8 weeks, we've given the wannabees a few days grace so they can decide if they would like to come here, isolate at our expense, then play all three tests here, which I suspect will happen once we sort out the financials.
Also in Union, The Lions played their first test on Saturday and it would seem to be away from your loved ones isn't such a hardship for the kick brigade.

In cricket, straya are in the windies, Ireland are hosting Sith ifrica, bangladesh are in zimbabwe, India in Sri Lanka...so again, professionals plying their trade away from their loved ones for extended times in a pandemic....

Meanwhile....in little old Tokyo, there's some running-throwing thing going on with thousands of competitors from hundreds of nations.....

All of these sports may be reckless and wrong and the NRL certainly have a point in terms of the UK's lates craze to let the covid bu99er run loose, but you'd hope a rethink may be on the cards. In terms of protecting "their players', the NRL will be looking at 2022 as another year when their criminal citizens can't go overseas so will be bored and stuck for things to do and they'd rather position themselves as an option, rather than have players missing for whatever reaons.....

Surely you see the difference in the sense having to quarantine in queensland for 3months and then enter another bubble for 7 weeks in the UK is a hell of a long time. I wouldn't be shocked if some players don't want to go as after the queensland quarantine might want to go home.

I certainly wouldn't hold it against any of the NZ players who if given the chance to go home took that opportunity considering how long they have been away.

Wow indeed….he may want to think about the 129,000 who have died of this horrible disease in the last 18 months!

Usual selfish steward that doesn't give a toss for anyone but him self, no consideration to the poor staff of the NHS that has had to endure months of treating and watching patients die, having had flu badly years ago gawd knows how those who have suffered covid have coped, I sincerely hope you choke on your next peanut

Lol I have every sympathy for the underpaid, overworked NHS staff.

If only the more close minded parts of the country didn't exercise there vote creating an environment that saw an 87% drop in the number of EU nurses.

Sorry not a fan of peanuts but I'm open to suggestions of what else I could choke on.

With such anger I assume you are hunting down those who refuse to get vaccinated. I mean how dare they exercise a basic human right in deciding what goes into there body. They clearly only care about themselves.

You see I want to the see the old and vulnerable vaccinated. Those who have llllunderlying health issues vaccinated. The young isn't and shouldn't be a priority, kids and teenagers defiently not when there are countries suffering hugely as they can't even vaccinate the old and vulnerable let alone most of their countries population.

I would rather see those countries get all the vaccines possible before the young and healthy in the west get it.

You mean the 129k who have died within 28 days of a positive covid test?

I'm surprised you haven't choked on the sheite that's come out of your gob already, still we live in hope

Wait until Samoa, PNG and Tonga all pull out, what will the narrative be then ?

Assuming NRL players are prevented from coming over, it's difficult to see how any of those nations could participate.
Creating sides to compete, from UK based players, sounds like a possible plan, that is until you realise that they would be prevented from playing as the nations that they would be representing.
You couldn't have a side taking the field in the Green and Gold of Australia, as their governing body wont have sanctioned the game and creating an "Aussie exiles" side would hardly be any kind of crowd pulling side.
Unless there is a massive revolt among the players and they can force the NRL to have a re think, the World Cup is effectively dead, certainly for this year.

Quote: DallasMead2 "Wow indeed….he may want to think about the 129,000 who have died of this horrible disease in the last 18 months!'" here is something that maybe puts your quoted figures into context. Th freedom of information act 2000 is a wonderful source to cut through all the lying bull crap and spin. Corporate  Governance  Department  Our Ref  for death  due  to  covid  19  alone.  Answer   There have  been  79  deaths  with  covid.    There have  been  2  deaths  from  covid  alone.    2.    The  Number  and  Percentage  of  people  with  ‘underlying  health  conditions’ in  the  overall  total.    79  and  97.53%    3.    The  Number  and  Percentage  of  those  without  ‘underlying  health  conditions’.      2  and  2.47%  respectively.  It  is confirmed  that  as the  information  has  been  provided,  this request  is now  closed.    For future  reference,  the  Trust’s publication  scheme  and  details of  the  services  that  we  provide  can  be  found  on  our website:  www.bhamcommunity.nhs.uk.  "  Make of that what you will.

Quote: DallasMead2 "Wow indeed….he may want to think about the 129,000 who have died of this horrible disease in the last 18 months!'" here is something that maybe puts your quoted figures into context. Th freedom of information act 2000 is a wonderful source to cut through all the lying bull crap and spin. Corporate  Governance  Department  Our Ref  for death  due  to  covid  19  alone.  Answer   There have  been  79  deaths  with  covid.    There have  been  2  deaths  from  covid  alone.    2.    The  Number  and  Percentage  of  people  with  ‘underlying  health  conditions’ in  the  overall  total.    79  and  97.53%    3.    The  Number  and  Percentage  of  those  without  ‘underlying  health  conditions’.      2  and  2.47%  respectively.  It  is confirmed  that  as the  information  has  been  provided,  this request  is now  closed.    For future  reference,  the  Trust’s publication  scheme  and  details of  the  services  that  we  provide  can  be  found  on  our website:  www.bhamcommunity.nhs.uk.  "  Make of that what you will.