Shaun Johnson was the difference, forgetting the DG for a mo

He yet again was the Difference between NZ and England - He seriously is a top talent pure and simple

Don't agree. We had enough chances to win comfortably same old story in that the forwards more than matched up but backs couldn't/didn't take those chances Lomax and sarge were not of an international standard in their positions Widdop was a 6 out of 10 as always. Shouldn't be anywhere near our team

Thought exactly the same after the match. They're both the same kind of Props (unsurprisingly) and we did lose a bit of something when Hill and Graham both went off. Also agree on which way to do it, starting with Graham and George and replacing them with Hill and Tom. Or it could that he might try Taylor for one of the twins.

Agree and also said the same about England's prep against France, to Aus and NZ playing each other the other week. It''s literally night and day for a Test match at this level.

Agree on Johnson. He's superb. His kicking really took a lot of energy out of us.

I think a combination of Johnson forcing us back and our attack not able to get the ball to the centres were the reasons behind the loss.

Why is Bennett arrogant in suggesting that players from a clearly inferior competition need to get up to speed with NRL players? Its not about how individually talented they are (e.g. Watkins) but what they are used to playing against, and the structures Bennett is trying to get them to follow. Unless anybody seriously thinks that following the structures of Wigan or Warrington is somehow better than that of the Broncos?

Also, please spare me the little Englander cobblers. Should be a British coach. Nonsense - if we want to progress it should be the best coach available (an attitude thankfully taken by other sports), and there isn't a British coach anywhere near NRL head coach standard. Ironically the closest being McNamara, who at least has some experience coaching in the best competition in the world. Personally, after Bennett goes I'd love someone like Trent Robinson to have a go.

I don't think we have the cattle to beat Aus at their best. NZ we're not a million miles from, but unless we can unearth another halfback and full back (fingers crossed Tomkins and Hardaker come back really strong next year) of real quality I just can't see it, regardless of the coach.

Not sure I agree there. Why would he be bringing in things like the mid season training camp next year if he was just planning on going through the motions? Plus hasn't he got a point to prove after being turned down for the Kangaroos job?

The ball defintely DID NOT go through, there is no 'optical illusion'
Here you go, the ball does not cross behind, it's very clear in fact, the lines of the post are not broken at any point.

Except in the middle photo which you can see the curve at the bottom of the ball when it's bang in line with the post. Can't see the outline of any post at all. Can see one vertical line on the ball but that's just the logos on the ball.

Those photos also show just how perfectly placed some of the England defenders were to see it. So what are people going for? That these perfectly placed England players all missed it going wide or saw it miss but didn't complain? Both ludicrously far fetched.

So what?. I am pointing out that backline in 85 had more skill, nous and ability than whoever fills the shirts nowadays. It pretty obvious most points scored in S.L are off the back of poor,tiring defenses. Seems to me its all gym work and not enough skills work.

It's hard to compare eras. That 85 side was mainly semi pro, playing under a 5 yard rule.

You can compare results. That 85 side scraped a draw with the Kiwis. Not too dissimilar to now.

We could do with more flair in attack but we only lost by 1 point due to an interception try and a dodgy drop goal.

No need to over react.

But if I don't over react how am I supposed to use this as proof that player x from the club I don't like is rubbish and not international standard and we would win if only we replaced him with player y from my club which is what i've been saying all along!

England lost.

To me, you've just shown pictures of it going over !

And on the full video, the reaction of Lomax and Graham vs the reaction of Proctor(I think it is) says it all.

Well indeed. Same old story from hysterical RL fans.