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The Fourth strongest team at the World Cup will come down to which players miss out on selection for Oz and a lesser extent NZ.
If Hayne and Sutton turn out for Fiji they could be right up there.
It will be the top Southern Hemisphere rejects or Heritage players that will make the 3rd or 4th strongest side at the World Cup.
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Why are they rejects? Australia and NZ can only pick 17 starting players! NRL has over 300 players plus NSW cup, Qland cup and NZ National comp. That's over 1000 players in 2 countries made up from people all over the world, including RL playing nations. The remaining 950 players not picked by NZ or Australia are hardly rejects.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Why are they rejects? Australia and NZ can only pick 17 starting players! NRL has over 300 players plus NSW cup, Qland cup and NZ National comp. That's over 1000 players in 2 countries made up from people all over the world, including RL playing nations. The remaining 950 players not picked by NZ or Australia are hardly rejects.'"
You are reading it the wrong way.
They do not pick 17 players they pick a squad of 20 odd players.
I am saying that key players that do not make the Oz or Kiwi teams that are eligible for those Nations but not selected for those squads (maybe rejects is the wrong word) that turn out for other Nations will decide the next strongest team in the WC.
I am not talking about fringe grade players but game breaking players like Hayne, Sutton or perhaps Peter Wallace.
Hayne was pretty well the best player of the Tournament in the last World Cup even though he played for Fiji. |
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| Quote: gutterfax "As con tricks go, they're pretty damn good. Do they use that Dynamo fella to make it look like they play internationals in full stadiums? Of the 8 Squads of the Quarter-finalists at RWC 2011, 96% of the players represented the country of their birth.
I honestly believe that The RLWC is flawed...it should be a Tri-Nations comp, with the second tier nations playing in a separate competition featuring development squads from the big 3 (certain number of age restrictions). Slowly, you will see the development of counties such as Italy, USA etc becoming more competitive.
Samoa v Tonga earlier this year was a great game, but would have done little for the development of the sport in those countries because 29 of the 34 players on show were Australian.
Still, I reckon Fiji will make the semi finals....they only need to win 2 games to make it.....the 2nd placed team out of group B will have had 3 very hard hit outs...all Fiji need to do is beat Ireland....they will then meet Australia in the semi-final....let's hope for better than 52-0 this time around.'"
Australia and especially New Zealand have very large PI populations and a lot of these people would consider themselves to be both Aussies/Kiwis and Pacific Islanders. The vast majority of the players who represented Samoa and Tonga in the recent test match would have had at least one of their parents born in either of those islands. I hardly think that the Samoans and Tongans watching that game at home will have been less enthusiastic in their support for their respective teams because most of the players weren't born there. |
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| Quote: The Big Gun "Australia and especially New Zealand have very large PI populations and a lot of these people would consider themselves to be both Aussies/Kiwis and Pacific Islanders. The vast majority of the players who represented Samoa and Tonga in the recent test match would have had at least one of their parents born in either of those islands. I hardly think that the Samoans and Tongans watching that game at home will have been less enthusiastic in their support for their respective teams because most of the players weren't born there.'" RL activity something like quadrupled in Fiji after the last World Cup, and from what I understand it's now close to if not overtaken traditional 15-a-side RU. |
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Sorry to disagree with everyone, but I really don't see what PNG have got that makes them so strong.
Samoa & Tonga look stronger to me, I think Fiji and Scotland are short in the forwards, Ireland and Wales are short in the backs.
I think Italy and France will be decent, but France's success might depend on if Dureau plays for them or not.
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Big mal coaching them and a significant development programme in png over the last 12 months for the elite players who will play on WC. They may not be household NRL names but they will be well prepared. How they cope with hull in October is another matter! The png hooker is a very talented player.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Big mal coaching them and a significant development programme in png over the last 12 months for the elite players who will play on WC. They may not be household NRL names but they will be well prepared. How they cope with hull in October is another matter! The png hooker is a very talented player.'"
Aiton? He's good but there are a few better in SL I reckon. |
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| Quote: jonny the leyther "Sorry to disagree with everyone, but I really don't see what PNG have got that makes them so strong.
Samoa & Tonga look stronger to me, I think Fiji and Scotland are short in the forwards, Ireland and Wales are short in the backs.
I think Italy and France will be decent, but France's success might depend on if Dureau plays for them or not.'"
Whilst I agree it's not the best, Fiji's pack shouldn't be underestimated if at full strength.
Ashton, Tariq, Korbin (Sims), Civoneceva, Bukuya, Naiyorovoro, Evans, Roqica, Koroisau. |
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| Quote: richie166 "Aiton? He's good but there are a few better in SL I reckon.'"
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| Quote: JB Down Under "No Segeyaro, plays for Penrith'"
It's a great rotation though, Aiton and Segeyaro should compliment each other well. If there's one position PNG won't struggle in, it's hooker. Ray Thompson isn't that bad either, though he may well be in the halves. |
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| Quote: Bovrick "It's a great rotation though, Aiton and Segeyaro should compliment each other well. If there's one position PNG won't struggle in, it's hooker. Ray Thompson isn't that bad either, though he may well be in the halves.'" I guess Thompson will be in the halves alongside Nami or Aiye. |
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The Tonga and Samoa teams that played in teh pacific test in April
Ma’a Tonga:
1 Glen Fisi'ahi - New Zealand Warriors
2 Michael Oldfield - Sydney Roosters
3 Mahe Fonua - Melbourne Storm
4 Siuatonga Likiliki - Newcastle Knights
5 Etu Uaisele - Wyong Roos
6 Samsoni Langi - Sydney Roosters
7 Daniel Foster - Penrith Panthers
8 Brent Kite - Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles
9 Pat Politini - Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks
10 Sam Moa - Sydney Roosters
11 Sika Manu - Penrith Panthers
12 Jason Taumalolo - North Queensland Cowboys
13 Anthony Tupou - Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks
INTERCHANGE
14 Nafe Seluini - Sydney Roosters
15 Fuifui Moimoi - Parramatta Eels
16 Richie Fa’aoso - Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles
17 Benny Murdoch-Masila - Wests Tigers
18 David Hala - Brisbane Broncos
19 Silivia Havili - New Zealand Warriors
20 Sydney Havea - Hakame Broncos
21 Atelea Vea - St. George Illawarra Dragons
Toa Samoa:
1 Matthew Wright - Cronulla Sharks
2 Kalifa Faifai Loa - NQ Cowboys
3 Antonio Winterstein - NQ Cowboys
4 Junior Sa'u - Melbourne Storm
5 Daniel Vidot - St George Illawarra
6 Carlos Tuimavave - NZ Warriors
7 Ben Roberts - Parramatta Eels
8 Jeff Lima - South Sydney Rabbitohs
9 Masada Iosefa - West Tigers
10 Roy Asotasi - South Sydney Rabbitohs
11 Eddy Pettybourne - West Tigers
12 Sam Tagataese - Cronulla Sharks
13 Lama Tasi - Sydney Roosters
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14 Leeson Ah Mau - St George Illawarra
15 Martin Taupau - Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs
16 Mark Taufua - Cronulla Sharks
17 Alex Elisala - NQ Cowboys
18 Tanielu Pasene - Rugby League Samoa
19 Leia Saofaiga - Rugby League Samoa
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| Quote: gutterfax "Nope...I am saying that countries such as Ireland, Scotland, Italy, Serbia, wales (to a certain extent) need to play more of these regular games against each other....and the players who turn out in these games should be rewarded by retaining their places and not having them nicked by Australian or English born players not good enough for their country of birth, but who's mother once drank a Pint of Guinness.
rlLUKE DOUGLASrlis no more Scottish than I am....he doesn't ply his trade there and he actually has a sibling who plays for Australia. I am not sure if he has ever actually been to Scotland, yet he will pull on their colours this year ![]()
You are wrong.
Matty Russell was born in Scotland, as was James McManus.
You do know there are rules on eligibility don't you? The rule isn't if you've been to the country or not.
It's not that uncommon for people from places like the north of England, which is very, very close to Scotland, to have parent or Grandparent from there, the same goes for Australia with the amout of people moving to the country within the last two generations.
But that doesn't fit your argument, which JB is owning you in by the way.
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