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Quote: SmokeyTA "i would argue that having no plan is just the same as having a very very poor one.

And letting these clubs go to the wall to be replaced by better clubs is dependent on us having those better clubs in reserve. We dont'"



'No plan' is really just shorthand for envisioning their role differently - as a bureaucracy providing a basic framework in which clubs operate, rather than as leaders with a very specific destination in mind.

That [iis[/i a plan.

I'm sure we'd both agree that it'd be desirable for the sport to be wealthier, the international game more competitive and higher profile and so on.
If they said, 'we've got a vision as to how we can do that and, crucially, we're going to stick with it and deliver, that'd be fine. But they always lack either the political capital or will to properly enforce the salary cap or implement franchising or force through mergers or whatever is panacea du jour. Which isn't necessarily their fault - if the clubs and fans won't follow, what can they do?
Take on a more limited and realistic remit would be a obvious approach, aiming for natural, organic growth (or, if not growth, adaptation).

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I think we all agree we need to freshen up SL a bit, a new club, with some fresh ideas and a bit of optimism can only be a good thing.

Crowds are only 1 piece of the puzzle. Wakey and KR struggle financially on 8k crowds with their own stadium. Cas and Widnes seem to do ok with smaller crowds.

Fev deserve a chance.

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Quote: Mikey T "Three years from now Rovers will be kicking the Loiners' butts.'"


That's some mighty fine signature material there my friend!

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Quote: bramleyrhino "That's some mighty fine signature material there my friend!'"


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Quote: SmokeyTA ".

As for who is to say fev won't be where Leeds are, me. I'm saying it because the don't have the facilities, they have shown they have the money, a plan, or the ability to get there. If they show those things then I'm more than in favour of giving them a chance. In fact I'd give them a better chance with more time and stability to do so. Leaving it in the lap of the gods, with no strategy or long term plan is an idiotic way of running the game.

If you want to ask who is to say Fev won't thrive in SL, I can ask who is to say their presence doesn't damage SL who is to say their promotion won't stop some other club thriving in SL?

The romanticism of the underdog is not a replacement for long term strategy and planning.'"



What a load of ignorant twaddle smokeyTA, Have you seen the stadium upgrades that are happening and have been happening for the last four or five years. Fev have backers and serious money is being put in and generated from some high profile sponsors and investors (Probiz, Fosters, Linpac, D.S.Smith) to name but a few. Fev are on the brink of winning the league shield for the FOURTH year on the trot so the ability to get there on a playing front is ticked as well, there are several players signing for Rovers on a full time basis for next season, turning down SL clubs to stay at the club. Please tell me if any player with SL ambitions would do this if Fev were not in that position you question.

My conclusion is that you felt with the inception of SL the "little" clubs would just curl up and die, and the fact that Fev are banging very loudly on the door makes you very uncomfortable Smokey. Get used to it, Fev have "earned" that right and should be given the opportunity.

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People mention the p&r coming back in 2015.
Next season there is 1 or 2 to be relegated from SL and maybe as many as 5 to be relegated fron the Championship as it becomes SL2 in 2015.

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Quote: DemonUK "People mention the p&r coming back in 2015.
Next season there is 1 or 2 to be relegated from SL and maybe as many as 5 to be relegated fron the Championship as it becomes SL2 in 2015.'"


That's right.
SL 2 in 2015 will, as it stands, be made up of:
-the 2 relegated SL clubs,
-Toulouse and
-the top 9 of the 2014 Championship.
so, the bottom 5 of the 2014 Championship to be relegated to the 'third division'.

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I'll ask again, does anybody have a cow?

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Quote: Starbug "When are all the nobbheads on here going to realise we dont have half a dozen big city potential mega clubs just waiting to despatch Leeds and Wigan from their lofty perchs at the top of RL in this country

We have what we have, any improvement to it should be applauded, to belittle it just shows how completely out of touch with reality these idiots are'"


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Quote: Clearwing "But at some point you have to ask "where are the investors?". And if, for example, a team from a town the size of Featherstone did find their own Dr Clothcap, would they be a better bet than a city club struggling to obtain investment?'"

Yes they would. If fev found someone willing to build them an acceptable stadium and invest in them until they are of the size where they can be sustainable at this level they should definitely be in SL regardless of the bounce of a ball.

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Quote: Mild Rover "'No plan' is really just shorthand for envisioning their role differently - as a bureaucracy providing a basic framework in which clubs operate, rather than as leaders with a very specific destination in mind.

That [iis[/i a plan.

I'm sure we'd both agree that it'd be desirable for the sport to be wealthier, the international game more competitive and higher profile and so on.
If they said, 'we've got a vision as to how we can do that and, crucially, we're going to stick with it and deliver, that'd be fine. But they always lack either the political capital or will to properly enforce the salary cap or implement franchising or force through mergers or whatever is panacea du jour. Which isn't necessarily their fault - if the clubs and fans won't follow, what can they do?
Take on a more limited and realistic remit would be a obvious approach, aiming for natural, organic growth (or, if not growth, adaptation).'"
its more a plan than me saying I'm going to have a threesome with Selma Hayek and Megan Fox, then just sitting here talking to you and expecting it to happen. Whilst I have a goal, if I don't think about how I get there it isn't a plan and even if your want to call it a plan, it doesn't mean it is at all likely to happen.

It's a simple scenario, which is more likely to result in a positive outcome, the game wanting to fulfil its potential and then sitting down and deciding the best route to get there, and then doing it.

Or

The game wanting to fulfil its potential then just hoping it happens by chance?

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Quote: fevrover40 "What a load of ignorant twaddle smokeyTA, Have you seen the stadium upgrades that are happening and have been happening for the last four or five years. Fev have backers and serious money is being put in and generated from some high profile sponsors and investors (Probiz, Fosters, Linpac, D.S.Smith) to name but a few. Fev are on the brink of winning the league shield for the FOURTH year on the trot so the ability to get there on a playing front is ticked as well, there are several players signing for Rovers on a full time basis for next season, turning down SL clubs to stay at the club. Please tell me if any player with SL ambitions would do this if Fev were not in that position you question.

My conclusion is that you felt with the inception of SL the "little" clubs would just curl up and die, and the fact that Fev are banging very loudly on the door makes you very uncomfortable Smokey. Get used to it, Fev have "earned" that right and should be given the opportunity.'"
and chances are it will destroy them and in 5years time people will be blaming the RFL, a media conspiracy, lack of sponsors, the big clubs, Gary hetherignton, rugby union, the old boys network etc etc etc

The more clubs like fev in SL, the more likely my team is to continue lifting trophies.

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So where are these new big city mega clubs that will enhance SL and challenge Leeds and Wigan?

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Just round the corner Starbug.

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Quote: Starbug "So where are these new big city mega clubs that will enhance SL and challenge Leeds and Wigan?'"


We've just fallen into Championship One...

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