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Not impressed that the MoS choice is no longer a straight vote from the players, takes a bit of the gloss off for me not having it decided exclusively by your peers.

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Brought, Higham or Peacock. Kirmond as an outside shout.

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Tomkins has apparently been shortlisted so he will win it.

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Shortlist is apparently

Brough, Peacock, Tomkins, Ferres and Kirmond.

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It will be Brough or Peacock, definitely.

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When do we find out?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "But you seem to have overlooked my point.
You're saying that no half back should ever be MOS. I think the fact that you're using Rangi as a counter argument shows that you accept that they could. So why not Brough?

Relative to everyone. Name a better kicker in the competition.
Brough has got plenty of kicks away under pressure into decent space when the forwards haven't quite done the job.

Wigan/Wire. Leeds obviously for GF.

I don't see why it's relevant though? Just because a team has had players out doesn't mean that player has automatically played better than he would have if they were all fit. They just stand out more than they did.
Says more about the observer than the participant.

As ridiculous as that quote is, it's not his job to anyway. He's supposed to organise and put other players through the line. Despite this, he has broken the line MANY times this season. He's made more clean breaks than Peacock has. In fact, backs make more clean breaks than forwards do anyway.

Peacock is a work horse. Makes loads of metres (although isn't even in the top 50 for average gain) and tackles like a trojan. He sets a platform. Brough wins games.'"


You seem to have imagined where I said no half back should be MoS. Brough shouldn't be MoS this season or any other that he's not worthy of the award.

A better kicker? Name me which type of kick you want comparing to. Goals? Sinfield. Cross field to winger, Sinfield. 40/20's what do stats say. Michael Dobson is up there when fit.

So what you're saying is that a fully fit first choice side is no harder to lead than a team full of young, inexperienced players? Right.

Any stats on line breaks for Brough? Look at how someone like Rob Burrow takes on the line compared to him. Backs make more clean breaks than forwards? Perhaps that's because forwards like Peacock suck in 4 defenders at the tackle?

Brough only shines because he has had a fully fit team of forwards building that platform for him. He doesn't win games.

Danny Brough has had a good season thanks to the work of others. Not because he's created a spark or provided the genius.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "When do we find out?'"


Week before the GF usually isn't it?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "When do we find out?'"



When Sam's counted the votes and thrown all the non-Sam slips away.

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Quote: Hessle Roader "When Sam's counted the votes and thrown all the non-Sam slips away.'"


He's won it once when he probably should have won it three years on the trot.

Hardly a one man bias.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "You seem to have imagined where I said no half back should be MoS. Brough shouldn't be MoS this season or any other that he's not worthy of the award.

A better kicker? Name me which type of kick you want comparing to. Goals? Sinfield. Cross field to winger, Sinfield. 40/20's what do stats say. Michael Dobson is up there when fit.

So what you're saying is that a fully fit first choice side is no harder to lead than a team full of young, inexperienced players? Right.

Any stats on line breaks for Brough? Look at how someone like Rob Burrow takes on the line compared to him. Backs make more clean breaks than forwards? Perhaps that's because forwards like Peacock suck in 4 defenders at the tackle?

Brough only shines because he has had a fully fit team of forwards building that platform for him. He doesn't win games.

Danny Brough has had a good season thanks to the work of others. Not because he's created a spark or provided the genius.'"



Your first sentence makes no sense but then again most of your posts dont.

On the stats Brough is ahead of Sinfield on goals, attacking kicks and 40 20s.

Brough also has in his armament something that OPTA dont keep a record which is the non attacking kicks.
Brough has turned teams around all season and forced them to have to run the ball out rom their 10 metre line on a regular basis often making the Giants 50 metres.

This is what has reduced the work of the forwards and made it easier for him.

To say that Danny Brough does not win games is ridiculous he lays the platform for everything the Giants do.

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Quote: Durham Giant "Your first sentence makes no sense but then again most of your posts dont.

On the stats Brough is ahead of Sinfield on goals, attacking kicks and 40 20s.

Brough also has in his armament something that OPTA dont keep a record which is the non attacking kicks.
Brough has turned teams around all season and forced them to have to run the ball out rom their 10 metre line on a regular basis often making the Giants 50 metres.

This is what has reduced the work of the forwards and made it easier for him.

To say that Danny Brough does not win games is ridiculous he lays the platform for everything the Giants do.'"


I would hope Brough is ahead on stats, Sinfield has missed plenty of matches.

Brough is way behind Chase & Dobson, who I've already mentioned, on attacking kicks. These kicks that you say aren't measured, what would you class them as & how many has he done?

So Brough does it all himself then? Produces these magical kicks that move the team downfield all by himself, thereby giving his forwards less to do which means they can work to give him more room?

He must be a magician!!

Now think back to what I said about Brough working off a platform & not being the type of half who takes the line on. Brough is ranked 39th. Chase is top & Peacock 2nd.

Now think back to where I mentioned Shaun Lunt is the one who really gets the Giants moving. He's in the top 10 for carries & has the excellent distribution left or right from the ruck for Brough & Robinson to work off.

The Giants may have won the LLS, but the arrogance levels on display would suggest they'd won 6 of the last 9 GF's!!

Brough has had a good season but isn't fit to lace Peacock's boots as a captain, leader, player or man

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Quote: BiffasBoys "I would hope Brough is ahead on stats, Sinfield has missed plenty of matches.

Brough is way behind Chase & Dobson, who I've already mentioned, on attacking kicks. These kicks that you say aren't measured, what would you class them as & how many has he done?

So Brough does it all himself then? Produces these magical kicks that move the team downfield all by himself, thereby giving his forwards less to do which means they can work to give him more room?

He must be a magician!!

Now think back to what I said about Brough working off a platform & not being the type of half who takes the line on. Brough is ranked 39th. Chase is top & Peacock 2nd.

Now think back to where I mentioned Shaun Lunt is the one who really gets the Giants moving. He's in the top 10 for carries & has the excellent distribution left or right from the ruck for Brough & Robinson to work off.

The Giants may have won the LLS, but the arrogance levels on display would suggest they'd won 6 of the last 9 GF's!!

Brough has had a good season but isn't fit to lace Peacock's boots as a captain, leader, player or man'"


Did Brough use to steal your lunch money when you were kids? It's the only explanation I can come up with for ths drivel.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "SNIP'"


your a Leeds fan i get it. Choose Peacock but dont invent ridiculous arguements to try to illustrate your view.

There is not another poster on the boards who would underestimate Broughs kicking and the field position that it buys for the Giants.

Go back and watch the first game of the season Saints V Giants.

Watch the game and listen to the commentary about 15 time sin that game Saints had to run the bal back fromn inside their own 10 metre line.

Brough has done that to teams all season

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Quote: BiffasBoys "You seem to have imagined where I said no half back should be MoS.'"

You ruled out half backs by dismissing Brough (and therefore any player of his ilk) because "they didn't lay the platform". You've ultimately decided that only a forward can win.

Quote: BiffasBoys "Brough shouldn't be MoS this season or any other that he's not worthy of the award.'"

So you're a fortune teller as well?
Or maybe you've just got a chip on your shoulder?

Quote: BiffasBoys "A better kicker? Name me which type of kick you want comparing to. Goals? Sinfield. Cross field to winger, Sinfield. 40/20's what do stats say. Michael Dobson is up there when fit.'"

All-round kicking, Brough has been the best in this country. It's amusing how your argument misses out downfield kicks (you know, the ones that make loads of yards to lay a platform...)

Quote: BiffasBoys "So what you're saying is that a fully fit first choice side is no harder to lead than a team full of young, inexperienced players? Right.'"

No, I'm saying that that's not the criteria for picking the Man of Steel.

Quote: BiffasBoys "Any stats on line breaks for Brough? Look at how someone like Rob Burrow takes on the line compared to him. Backs make more clean breaks than forwards? Perhaps that's because forwards like Peacock suck in 4 defenders at the tackle?'"

I like how you've completely backtracked on your "break the line" comment there and now it's about sucking in defenders (something that half backs NEVER do eh?). Brilliant.

Quote: BiffasBoys "Brough only shines because he has had a fully fit team of forwards building that platform for him. He doesn't win games.'"

Again, another ridiculous point. Surely it's easier to shine in a team of inexperienced players (you know, since you're head and shoulders above them)? But it's good to see that you think Brough shines in the best team in the league. Surely the hallmark of a MOS?

Quote: BiffasBoys "Danny Brough has had a good season thanks to the work of others. Not because he's created a spark or provided the genius.'"

So he's definitely not up there in try assists or anything then?

Seriously, get a grip.

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