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Yeah not a easy and quick jobby by the looks of it icon_confused.gif


But i think brown paper bags will save us some time icon_wink.gif

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Quote: The Key "In the 2007, 2008 and current season (thats over 30 games iirc, whether you include play-offs or not) we have only had one crowd under 12k. We have also had 4 crowds over 22k iirc again. So you are very, very wrong with that statement.
Talking about Wakeys ground, although I think a capacity of 14-15k would have been better (I think Wire's capacity has hindered them slightly. If they had a ground of around 16-18k, I feel early on they would have attracted a couple more thousand fans for some games who could have stayed with the club, but thats a different story) the idea of Wakey getting their new ground finally should only be met with positivity. Their current ground is shocking, I've never been to a worse ground and if Wakey were building a new 5k stadium that would be an improvement!'"


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We havebeen waiting for quite a long time time but it is imminent

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Quote: The Key "In the 2007, 2008 and current season (thats over 30 games iirc, whether you include play-offs or not) we have only had one crowd under 12k. We have also had 4 crowds over 22k iirc again. So you are very, very wrong with that statement.
Talking about Wakeys ground, although I think a capacity of 14-15k would have been better (I think Wire's capacity has hindered them slightly. If they had a ground of around 16-18k, I feel early on they would have attracted a couple more thousand fans for some games who could have stayed with the club, but thats a different story) the idea of Wakey getting their new ground finally should only be met with positivity. [sizeTheir current ground is shocking, I've never been to a worse ground and if Wakey were building a new 5k stadium that would be an improvement[/size!'"


[size I have been writing that on here for years. But the minute I write it, some dope comes on here and accuses me of trolling.

The fact of the matter is that there may be no approval or agreed contract by 2011, in which case Wakey are likely to drop back into the Championship. At that point I would think that a more modest 8,000 capacity stadium, with 5,000 seats and 3,000 terrace capacity, would be appropriate.

People need to understand that the Championship is going to become bigger and better, what with the TV telecast on Sky every Thursday night, and all the great French clubs joining in (Paris or Lyon or both could well follow Toulouse in 2012). There will be a great international competition to enjoy in the Championship[/size

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Quote: Alice's Phallus "[size I have been writing that on here for years. But the minute I write it, some dope comes on here and accuses me of trolling.

The fact of the matter is that there may be no approval or agreed contract by 2011, in which case Wakey are likely to drop back into the Championship. At that point I would think that a more modest 8,000 capacity stadium, with 5,000 seats and 3,000 terrace capacity, would be appropriate.

People need to understand that the Championship is going to become bigger and better, what with the TV telecast on Sky every Thursday night, and all the great French clubs joining in (Paris or Lyon or both could well follow Toulouse in 2012). There will be a great international competition to enjoy in the Championship[/size'"


LOVELY!

Go watch Warrington play in it then!

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Quote: The Clan "LOVELY!

Go watch Warrington play in it then!'"


You seem to assume that we are still in the Promotion-relegation system, where position on the table was everything. Actually I have to inform you that a licensing system began this year, and position on the table is not a major issue any more. According to the criteria, Wakefield were lucky to get a spot in 2009. They are on notice about their future license.

Warrington will never be dropped. Their only problem is on the field. But they have everything else in place, including a poorly designed, soulless, but nonetheless adequate stadium.

Wakefield can be dropped because of a number of factors against it. These include being too close to Castleford, not having a good junior set up, not having enough supporters, and having a dreadful, disgusting stadium.

That is why Wakefield needs to think long and hard about what it is aiming for with a new stadium, and find out is it going to materialise before the Second Coming, let alone before the licensing decisions in 2011.

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Quote: Alice's Phallus "Actually I have to inform you that a licensing system began this year, and position on the table is not a major issue any more. '"


Really? How does one decide who plays in a Grand Final then? Do clubs have to submit a statement in no more than 50 words why they deserve to be there?

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Quote: littlerich "Really? How does one decide who plays in a Grand Final then? Do clubs have to submit a statement in no more than 50 words why they deserve to be there?'"


You misunderstand me. I was pointing out to my bitter friend from Wakefield that position on the Super League table -- namely being at the bottom or not -- is not a major issue for a license renewal decision. The other criteria are more important.

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Quote: Alice's Phallus "You misunderstand me. I was pointing out that position on the Super League table -- namely being at the bottom or not -- is not a major issue for a license renewal decision. The other criteria are more important.'"


I know. I was just yanking your chain. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: littlerich "I know. I was just yanking your chain.
Cheap points to you this round, I guess.

I guess that I am really worried that the Wakefield fans -- with their limited education, and their high susceptibility to cheap promises made by overweight local charlatans -- are going have their hopes raised now, only to have them dashed later.

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Here's a question for you Mr Phallus.

You state:

"position on the Super League table -- namely being at the bottom or not -- is not a major issue for a license renewal decision. The other criteria are more important".

Do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing - in sport? In sport - how much credence should we put upon clubs' actual performance on the pitch?

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Quote: littlerich "Here's a question for you Mr Phallus.

You state

I think that the main thing in our sport is having clubs that can attract good crowds week in week out, the way that Leeds, Wigan and Hull FC do. Of course on field performance is relevant to that, but even poorly performing teams like Wigan and Hull FC can still attract decent crowds.

Note that all of these clubs have decent stadia. Poorly performing clubs with poor stadia, like Bradford, cannot draw the crowds they potentially could. So having a comfortable stadium is the key. Wakefield's management have neglected the stadium issue for decades. Bell Vue was not even fit for human habitation in 1979, let alone in 2009!

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Quote: Alice's Phallus "I think that the main thing in our sport is having clubs that can attract good crowds week in week out, the way that Leeds, Wigan and Hull FC do. Of course on field performance is relevant to that, but even poorly performing teams like Wigan and Hull FC can still attract decent crowds. Note that all of these clubs have decent stadia. Porrly performing clubs with poor stadia, like Bradford, cannot draw the crowds they potentially could.'"


OK

So, where do Harlequins fit into all this - especially the highlighted bit above?

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you could have the best looking stadium around with white seats, and the 2 blue stripes with the red-that would look great! got to do it!

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Quote: littlerich "OK

So, where do Harlequins fit into all this - especially the highlighted bit above?'"


Harlequins crowd problem is an ongoing struggle. Unfortunately the club is now financially strapped, and cannot employ the kind of quality marketing manager that it needs.

Quins, unlike the northern clubs, are starved of mass media attention. The only way that Quins crowds will improve is when a second London club is licensed and the national and local London news media start to take rugby league in London seriously.

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