Sure Wakefield have relied heavily on imports, the difference in Wakefield’s case was, in order to stay in the competition year after year, with the threat of relegation, year after year, they had to perform on the field, simple.

To say the club has failed, well, how do you compare success?




Wakefield’s collapse, as you put it, has happened once, the Welsh experiment is on its second, with maybe another one in the pipeline.

As for your theory on the District, that’s just a red herring, one of your pet hates.

guys, as i have learnt recently your effectively ing in the wind when debating with smokey. life is much more serene when you embrace the 'Ignore' function

According to the Crusaders accounts they have not paid any rent for the use of the Racecourse ground.

If there is a new owner of the ground and they do honour the lease agreement then Crusaders will not be allowed to use it without paying for it and that makes them even less financially viable.

Smokey, fans can talk about eras of dominance by certain clubs, we've had Sts in the naughties, before them Bradford, Sts again, Wigan, Widnes then lo and behold in the 60s it was Wakefield.

To say Wakefield has over 100 years of folly is a ridiculous comment.

Ineed it is, one of his worse comments ever, and thats saying something!

Yet other clubs havent.

trophies, finals, attendances, players brought through. Measures of success.


Crusaders have collapsed once. Not twice, once.

explain the difference. Explain how the collapse of Crusaders vindicates those who say there isnt the strength for a team in Wales, but the collapse of Wakefield doesnt vindicate those who say there isnt the strength for two teams in WMDC.

Crusaders havent filed any accounts in this guise, they are a couple of months old.
a modicum of success in the 60's in a semi-pro game does not guarantee the club can still compete 50 years in a fully pro game. Some seem to have spent their lives battling against it but the game has moved on.

To dismiss the hardwork and successes that have happened in Wales of the last few years as a folly is equally ridiculous. The Game in Wales has never been stronger.

1959-60 League Championship runners up
1959-60 Challenge Cup Winners
1960-61 Yorkshire Cup Winners
1961-62 Challenge Cup Winners
1961-62 Championship Final runners up
1961-62 Yorkshire Cup Winners
1961-62 Yorkshire League Winners
1962 invited to Tour South Africa & went unbeaten (6 games)
1963 Challenge Cup Winners
1966-67 League Champions
1967-68 League Champions
1967-68 Challenge Cup Runners up (watersplash, robbed)

This era also included numerous wins versus the Touring Kangaroos & Kiwis
Wakefield Trinity players making up the backbone of Great Britain Team & Touring sides
Wakefield Trinity officials managing full tours during a period when Great Britain were the best international team in the world.
We produced the world record points scorer in Neil Fox (6,220 unadjusted)

And to top it off we were the subject of probably THE BEST ever sports related movie

Modicum of success!

You are a buffoon!



I hav'nt dismissed anyone, that's something you made up to support your ridiculous argument.

If you want to pretend thats dominance fine, Ive no interest in trying to correct you. However it doesnt address the main point which you have tried to avoid which is it was 50 years ago, in a semi-pro game. It bears no relevance to this fully pro game.

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What have wakefield done in the last 30 years?

You are talking about a time in which they were successful. Any team can do that. The fact of the matter is, they have been a relativly poor team for a number of years

And you should go back and read the thread before posting,

I was responding to Smokeys ridiculous comment that Wakefield were a waste of a club for it's whole history

i never said that. You have made it up. I said that they have taken 100 + years to get to this point. The fact they have relied on overseas players throughout their SL lifetime, the fact they facilities they play in are poor, the fact they dont have a lot of money to put out a competitive side, the fact they have struggled on the field for the last 50 years, the fact they are in danger of losing their license is down to their failings, nobody elses, and wishing the death of Crusaders to cover up for these failings is pathetic. If Wakefield excelled as a club then they wouldnt be in danger, it is because they havent that they are in danger and regardless of Crusaders, it is Wakefield who have got themselves into this position.

You must have been spoilt for choice.

Thats 8 Barry/Katie/Phipps.