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This is boring

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Quote: gutterfax "It's an endless debate that is going nowhere because you fail to accept that the average attendance at an event is arrived at by counting the actual total number of attendees and dividing it by the actual number of games....regardless of the spin used by the RFL, RFU or anyone else, the basics of mathematics point to the figure to date being about 17k. The failure to grasp basic mathematics is alarmingly rife on here.
Rochdale looks pretty full tonight...Ireland are going to get pasted by the looks of it.'"
the person not counting the number of attendees and dividing it by the number of games is you. For some reason you have chosen to either halve the number of attendees to two matches or pretend that one match had no attendees.

The 17k figure you are talking about doesn't refer to anything. Even at stretch there is logic in counting a double header as one event with one 45k attendance. Even it is wrong

There is no logic whatsoever in counting it as 2 matches with 2 22.5k attendances. Even those not familiar with the basic maths you feel so confident about would know only a moron or a troll would simply make up a figure

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same thread keeps getting ruined from the same people... Enjoy the world cup great games, good atmosphere and generally a positive tournament.

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Quote: the artist "to get back on track a bit, where do you think the next sellout will be, KC stadium, craven park, workington? wonder just how many games could actually end up sold out'"


England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.

If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!

75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.

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Quote: gutterfax "England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.

If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!

75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.'"

Your figures are wrong.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Your figures are wrong.'"

Really?
45,052 rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-englandrl AND rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalprl
7,481 rlhttps://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-denyrl
13,965* rlhttps://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-torl
8,872 rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-irelandrl

*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....

75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.

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Quote: gutterfax "Really?
45,052 rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-englandrl AND rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalprl
7,481 rlhttps://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-denyrl
13,965* rlhttps://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-torl
8,872 rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-irelandrl

*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....

75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.'"

You have only listed 4 attendances.

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Quote: gutterfax "Really?
45,052 rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-englandrl AND rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalprl
7,481 rlhttps://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-denyrl
13,965* rlhttps://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-torl
8,872 rlhttps://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-irelandrl

*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....

75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.'"

You have only listed 4 attendances. It really would be insane ramblings to list 4 attendances as 5 games.

You are correct, the law of mathematics insist to find an average we add the number of attendances by the number of games.

You have already told us you have divided by 5 games, this necessitates that you have 5 attendances. Perhaps you could provide us with those 5 attendances?

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Quote: gutterfax "England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.

If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!

75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.'"


I agree that the Quarter Finals are shaping up for some big crowds as things stand, and they are the one part of the tournament where ticket pre-sales are understandably low.

If England put in good displays against Ireland & Fiji I can see a good crowd at the DW though, its if they just limp through where it may put fans off.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "You have only listed 4 attendances. It really would be insane ramblings to list 4 attendances as 5 games.

You are correct, the law of mathematics insist to find an average we add the number of attendances by the number of games.

You have already told us you have divided by 5 games, this necessitates that you have 5 attendances. Perhaps you could provide us with those 5 attendances?'"


What I initially said before you baited your hook was 75,370 fans had attended the 5 games so far. Regardless of how much you want to believe that there were 90,000 people at Cardiff, there weren't....The same 45,052 watched both games and therefore are only counted once when defining the average attendance for the tournament. Ticket sales are what determine the recorded attendances.....45,052 people bought 1 ticket each.

Insecurity and desperation are rife amongst certain cliques of Rugby League stalwarts........it's quite embarrassing really that you cling to a few extra fans in the hope that the 30,000 empty seats will be forgotten. icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "8,872 announced for tonight's game bringing the total number of fans who have attended games at this RLWC to 75,370.

There still seems some confusion as to the gate at Warrington, but the RLWC official site has that at 13,965, so that's the figure I have used.

2008 first 5 games delivered 72,176, a tad over 4% ahead of that.'"


I know people have taken you to task over this and they are right.

Given that you state the total attendances is 75,370 totalling 4 games (as you will not allow the Wales game as a further attendance, you must therefore leave that out in that case for averaging purposes). The average is therefore 75,370 / 4 = 18,842.
Simples.

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Quote: Little Ivor "1. The average attendance should be calculated for the 5 games that there have been so far, with a 45k attendance for each of the Cardiff games.'"


Actually, you work out an average attendance by taking the total number of people who have attended games and you divide it by the total number of games attended to discover the average.
FACT.....75,370 people have attended 4 events, but 5 games and therefore, the individual attendance average is 15,074.

Using your flawed formula for counting Double header attendances twice means that Sally Bolton's RLWC Target of 500,000 was 66% based on 2 events and 4 games icon_lol.gif

I am so looking forward to seeing 180,000 people packed into a 90,000 seat stadium for the semi-finals d040.gif

Why is it that some RL fans are so insecure and fretful that they cling to the "double header" like a security blanket?....the 5 games so far have all been entertaining and pretty well attended....

As for your rant Little Ivor. c020.gif c020.gif Chillax Brother....and enjoy the games k020.gif

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Quote: saint at wire "I know people have taken you to task over this and they are right.

Given that you state the total attendances is 75,370 totalling 4 games (as you will not allow the Wales game as a further attendance, you must therefore leave that out in that case for averaging purposes). The average is therefore 75,370 / 4

The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.

The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.

75,307 people have watched 5 games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two FACTUAL AND ACTUAL numbers.

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