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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Yep, that will sort out the Super League and create a pathway for Championship clubs to prosper, not.
We have to find a way of making the championship full time and then there could be a return to straight forward promotion/ relegation.
Having said that, would you promote a team that has won a grand final, or a team that has finished top of the comp ?'"
Team that finishes top should be promoted in my view.
Firstly because it would build interest and momentum throughout the season and secondly because they have proved themselves to be the strongest and most consistent.
Theoretically, a team could finish top by a large margin then pick up a few injuries in key positions and get knocked out of the playoffs whereas another could finish 6th with no injuries and string a few wins together to win the Grand Final.
I must stress that this is in no way belittling what the Eagles have done. They deserved to win but I'm just saying it does not make them ready for promotion.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Yep, that will sort out the Super League and create a pathway for Championship clubs to prosper, not.
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it will sort out super league.........and can't championship clubs in a viable,stand alone,competition prosper?
and only when a championship team starts to dominate the championship,iirc we've had different winners every year for the past 5 or 6 years?,should we even look at expanding super league and moving the dominant championship club up.......
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| Quote: roughyedspud "nope........its easier to drag 1 deadwood team upto standard than it is dragging 4
london
catalan
wigan
st helens
warrington
huddersfield
bradford
leeds
hull fc
hull kr
that would make for a very competitive league........and yes the championship would become a 16 team comp'"
Why do London, Bradford and Hull KR get in your little league?
Hull KR won 10 games and London won 7, many against teams you didn't include in your league.
Why would that be more competitive?
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| Sheffield now have the opportunity to develop their club to the stage where, if promotion is granted, they will have a sustainable business model and actually be able to make a success of it. If they aren't able to do this yet, then they will be given more time. Promoting them this year before they are ready would be massively damaging and probably undo the majority of good work they have done up to this point. I expect that if you asked anyone from Sheffield whether they would want to be promoted into Super League for next season then the answer would be no, because they seem to have their feet on the ground and be realistic about what they want to achieve and how they want to do it rather than buying into the propaganda of a ridiculous system that is totally counter-productive for everyone. As for Doncaster, they were promoted. You are talking complete and utter garbage.
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| Despite Sheffield winning yesterday, there is no doubt that,Featherstone have been and still are the "best" team in the Championship and based on playing ability are certainly worthy of promotion.
Unfortunately, they will never be in a position to gernerate the attendances that Mr Wood & Co are demanding, not to mention their proximity to other SL clubs.
Cant blame them for having a go though.
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| Automatic one-up, one-down promotion and relegation between the leagues should be introduced for 2013 onwards.
Concensus seems to be that the teams to be promoted should be those finishing top of the league in the Championship and Championship 1 (not play-off grand final winners).
Featherstone's crowd for their last league game of the season was more than London for example usually get.
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| Quote: Faxhali "Im affraid in sheffields case absolutly not for promotion, it would kill off all the good work they have done, they have a fan base of about 250 people and that is it. How the hell do you expect them to survive let alone compete. They are like the littleist hobo with no home ground and mess fixtures about every single year becuase of the football season. This would make the SL look less silly than it already does which is a hard thing to do.
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While as an Eagles fan I agree that we're nowhere near ready for Super League, I have to take issue with a number of points:
1. The Eagles took a lot more than 250 yesterday. It wasn't thousands, but our core fan base - as in regular attendees at home matches - is somewhere between 750 and 1000
2. Sheffield United would have a different attitude if the Eagles were in SL. The whole point they got involved in letting the Eagles use Brammall Lane is that they're suppprtive of the Eagles SL ambitions. They can see potential and an opportunity to make money should the Eagles be in SL. They also have been on at the RFL about hosting big games (test matches, Challenge cup semis etc), but the RFL in their wisdom aren't keen
3. Sheffield's average attendance has actually gone up this year. I can't remember the exact figures but it's a decent rise
Obviously we need to be getting much more significant crowds if we're going to get anywhere near a licence in future. The club knows this and has been investing in marketing and promotion and will continue to do so.
Like I say, we're not there yet but things are looking up. Remember that our crowds were rubbish before we went up into the top division the first time round (and of course SL). Our attendances weren't amazing then but we were averaging around 4000. Still not particularly good, but at the time comparable to many top flight clubs (bar the bigger sides like Wire, Wigan, Leeds, Saints etc, and more than Huddersfield and comparable to Salford)
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Automatic one-up, one-down promotion and relegation between the leagues should be introduced for 2013 onwards.
Concensus seems to be that the teams to be promoted should be those finishing top of the league in the Championship and Championship 1 (not play-off grand final winners).'" No, it doesn't. Why create a thread and then not engage in any debate and instead just continue to blindly spout bull? Do you have something wrong with you?
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| Quote: West Country Eagle " Sheffield's average attendance has actually gone up this year. I can't remember the exact figures but it's a decent rise'"
I can say the same about Doncaster too, we're up about 25% on last season, and a 40+% rise on 2 years ago..
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| Quote: Speccy "And when there are 10 teams,someone will again become 'deadwood' - no doubt you would then suggest reducing the number of teams to nine?!'"
Sadly, yes, there's only around five teams we've got that could make a sustainably intense competition. Its pathetic but true, and not going to get better any time soon, because we're stuck with Wood and his pals.
The cap has acheived almost nothing in respect of bringing the smaller teams up to standard.
Only hope is for Sky to step in and order massve changes to the game. Its a crying shame the game didn't have the b@lls to go through with all the mergers at the start of SL, when there was a real opportunity to set the game up for a bright and growing future. Now, instead, we've got a mostly irrelevant regular season, with weekly drubbings the norm, followed by the "business end" that's clearly so intense and spectacular that people can't be bothered turning up to watch.
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| Quote: headhunter "No, it doesn't. Why create a thread and then not engage in any debate and instead just continue to blindly spout bull? Do you have something wrong with you?'"
Not just me that noticed that Wooden Stand doesn't actually read anything anyone else posts then. He even quoted his own post to respond to that, rather than any of the posts replying to him in the Salary Cap thread
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| Quote: roughyedspud "sheffield will do no better than widnes have.....so whats the point?
cut all the deadwood from super league and have 10 teams'"
So that automatically makes the other 6 outside the regular top 4 perform? NO! Then complain about the surplus driftwood in a 10 only super league.Theres absolutely no incentive for clubs outside super league to even consider being in the only league that counts without a meaningful promotion /relegation format.
The driftwood clubs in super league are blase they arent under any pressure or desperate to avoid relegation so theres a malaise at he bottom equalled by an anti climax at the top of the championship 1(but is competitive).There should be a transitional pool of 2 lowest super league clubs and top 3 championship clubs games fitted into the normal season ,so it doesnt automatically relegate the bottom 2 SL clubs and gives at least 3 top championship clubs INCENTIVE. At the end of the next season this pool will produce the top team which coulkd be an SL that was in relegation zone the previous year or one of the previous promoted teams either way its not a cut and dried prom' rel' issue but gives 2 years .Anyway as it is its crap why dont wigansaints leeds and warrington play in their own exclusive cabal ?
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| what a load of nonsense that is...i stopped reading halfway through..
what people need to get into there heads is SUPER LEAGUE & the CHAMPIONSHIP are and should be 2 seperate,stand alone,competitions that serve different purposes...
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| Quote: roughyedspud "what a load of nonsense that is...i stopped reading halfway through..
what people need to get into there heads is SUPER LEAGUE & the CHAMPIONSHIP are and should be 2 seperate,stand alone,competitions that serve different purposes...'"
Just out of interest, what in your opinion is the 'purpose ' of the Championships?
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| Quote: roughyedspud "what a load of nonsense that is...i stopped reading halfway through..
what people need to get into there heads is SUPER LEAGUE & the CHAMPIONSHIP are and should be 2 seperate,stand alone,competitions that serve different purposes...'"
If they are seperate, stand alone competitions are you advocating promotion, or pulling up the drawbridge ?
Your make up of the 10 team SL makes interesting reading.
What criteria are you using for "qualification" to your new Super Duper League ?
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