I cant believe there is a second row in better form than Tickle. Never has a bad game anyway but has stepped it up another level this season.

International players need to fit a certain mould. They need to be tough, hard hitting, aggressive. Scoring a lot of points is not enough to get into the the England team IMO. Wilkin is a very good player in super league at times, but would he match the aussies up front? Not a chance. Tickle lacks the xfactor an international needs.

He is not even close to the other second rowers anyway.

Watkins for Atkins. O'Loughlin for Westwood, Westwood for Crabtree, Hall for Charnley.

Always has been very underrated imo. Not saying he's the best 2nd rower but deserves a place in the 17.

Tickle may be in the running, but is his new form good enough to elevate him above the likes of Ablett, JJB, Wilkin etc and compete with Ellis, Westwood and Burgess who will be the obvious candidates? I like Tickle but always thought he was a bit small for England. At least Hock has the size, although not seen enough of him this year to comment - in past seasons he was something of a liability at times.

Wilkin isn't remotely good enough for England and had shown that every time he's played.

Tomkins
Charnley
Cudjoe
Watkins
Hall
McGuire
Brough
Morley
Robinson
Peacock
Burgess
Ellis
Sinfield

Crabtree
Burrow
Hock
Westwood

I also can't understand the fest over Ablett - dont see what the Leeds fans rave about. Dependable yes, international class - no

I cannot believe the amount of people that arent including O Loughlin, if you had the pleasure to watch him week in, week out he'd be the first name on your teamsheet.

Nothing to do with his points scoring. He hits and runs as hard as anyone, has a great engine and knows how to run a line. His goal kicking is just a bonus. Not as good as Westwood and Ellis maybe, but certainly good enough for the bench.

+1

Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Atkins
Hall
??? Sinfield, Lomax, Chase, Widdop ....
Brough
Graham
Roby
Burgess
Westwood
Ellis
O'Loughlin

Burrow
Mossop
Morley
Hock

Thats what i'd go with at the moment. Really struggling to pick a 6, we still lack and depth in the halfs. The depth in the backs is getting much better could quite easily throw in McGillvary, Cudjoe, Lawrence, Reed, Briscoe.

Sinfield has been shown to lack it at international level. Lomax can't do it at club level.
Chase, maybe. Widdop, needs to be on for more than 5 minutes.

As for O'Loughlin...well I can say the same thing about Kev Brown, I watch him week in and week out and he is class.

Regarding the bench, I can't believe I've missed off Larne Patrick. Scores tries for fun. Power of a prop, speed of a halfback.

Tickle is a big lad mate, I saw hull play in the flesh on Sunday for the first time in a couple of years and was surprised how big he is. I think only Andy Lynch and Sam Moa looked bigger than him in Hulls team. He's definitely bigger than JJB and I don't think I'd be surprised if he was bigger than Ablett and Hock too. I'd be the first to admit I haven't seen much of JJB or Ablett for a while but I don't think tickle would look out of place at international level. I hope he gets a chance.

That's the problem with these sort of threads picking a team, some have club bias, some it's purely you don't see enough of a player to really appreciate them. Don't mind o loughlin but don't see him as much as a Wigan fan and probably don't appreciate what he offers as much. All teams have them. As the poster above illustrates the "w@nkfest Leeds fans have over ablett. If he watched him week in week out he would appreciate the work he does more.