That's precisely what myself and Wellsy argued.

It depends on what you mean by "claiming their history". AFAIK the Huddersfield RU team claimed to have won the Yorkshire cup before they had actually been founded when it was the team that became Huddersfield Giants that won those cups. This is clearly absurd.



If you mean that the RFU can't claim that RU was ever a major spectator sport in Yorkshire and Lancashire or such-and-such a player was a RU international (pre 1895) then I'm inclined to disagree.

You're changing your argument now.



Before, you were arguing that rugby union did not spawn rugby league:



So are you admitting now that you got this wrong?

nope.



northern (rugby) union spawned RL.



the RFU had nothing to do with it.



just so you dont get confused.



ive said all along the NU played rugby.

Absolute boll*cks of the highest order. If a club plays a sport under a governing body's rules, why can't that governing body claim the history of a club that played the sport it governed?! It's absurd!





In what way did they help develop rugby union apart from participating? They had no influence, which was pretty much why they left in the first place. You can't just take history. History stays where it always was, otherwise it isn't history it's a lie!



When did rugby league begin in Bradford? Can we not claim the history of Bradford PA in our sport because they left us to go play football?

You've said all along that league didn't come from union. That is the point being argued. You can say anything you like about the history of rugby, the RFU, when rugby league became a new sport, etc. But the fact is that YOU argued that rugby union did not spawn rugby league. Not the RFU. The RFU wasn't mentioned. They're a governing body. YOU said that rugby union (the sport) didn't spawn rugby league.



And you've said that they played "rugby", but you haven't acknowledged that it was rugby union until the last few posts. I thought I may have misread your posts (you know, you Aussies referring to union as "rugby"icon_wink.gif, but then realised you had been arguing that "union" has no right to the "rugby" game on its own. So you haven't been arguing all along that they played rugby union. Just "rugby". So again, changing your argument.



Here's a few quotes to help jog your memory:











...A load more quotes repeating the same thing...



And then finally, the quote that made the massive U-turn:





So you'd been arguing that we didn't play rugby union all this time (just "the game of rugby", which wasn't rugby union because there wasn't a rugby league?) and then finally came out with the fact that when we left we were still playing rugby union (i.e. RU for northern clubs = Northern Union).



Answer this question:



Did the sport of rugby league come from the sport of rugby union? Not "did the governing body NRFU come from the RFU?" as that is a totally different question.



Did the sport of rugby league come from the sport of rugby union? Yes or No?

for the 100th time, RL did not come from rugby union (as controlled by the RFU).



RL came from the northern (rugby) union, a game of union which was administered by a northern governing body, thats where we came from.



unless you think the original rugby game is an invention of the RFU - clearly wronr - then RL has its own independant genesis.



the game of RL has its roots before the RFU to the game of rugby. both sports originated from the original rugby game and neither can claim ownership of this history



maybe if you read some books on this topic it would help



this is my last response at repeating myself.

So none of these lads had ever seen the RFU's rule book up until 1895 when the new Northern Union came into being......



Dally the RFU's rules were drawn up in 1871 - 24 years previously. You are insane if you think that people in the north were not using those rules.







Both Wellsy and I have already mentioned Rugby school rules.







That's probably just as well.

sorry to get back in but rugby schools rules werent invented by the RFU.



they later codified them but those rules were in place before hand.



northern clubs played their part in the development and playing of the game before the RFU came around



the northern union can trace its roots back to rugby school. so can the RFU.



sorry to dissappoint you but the RFU get zero credit



rugby was not invented by the RFU, they adopted it from earlier games, games which northern clubs which are older than the RFU played



to simplify : NORTHERN (rugby) UNION. no new sport was set up in 1895, it was a continuationn of the old game



i am now done

the NU split from the RFU,is that right ?.

because if its wrong the rfl web site needs changing.

People have mentioned having 2 leagues in this country for super league maybe an east and west split but I don't think it would work.... a better split for me would be have a super league 1 and super league 2.



Wigan

Leeds

Saints

Bradford

Wire

Hull FC

Hull KR

Widnes

Catalans

Hudds



Cas

Wakey

Crusaders

Quins

Salford

Leigh

Barrow

Fax

Featherstone

Toulouse



Much higher quality in the top league, more close games. Second tier would be a lot stronger than it is now and would get alot more money from the amount of sky games they would get.



This would make the franchising system more progressive.

Perhaps teams could move between the two "super leagues", depending upon their position in the table at the end of the season?