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| rlHere's my idea in a little more detail...rl
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| The current deal is worth 18m between 14 clubs, it is signed for the next 5 (inc this one) years.
Your two divisions on Sky has salary cap totals worth £28m between 20 teams. To cover those payments our 5 year £90m TV broadcasting contract would need to be a 5 year £140m contract, and what do sky get in return for an extra £10m per year? 9 fewer rounds of Super League or 18 games, and 2 fewer SL play off rounds, taking the number of SL play offs sky screen from 9 down to 3 and 18 games from what is in effect, a new name for the championship, a league which Sky weren’t prepared to pay anything for,
Premier Sports meanwhile don’t pay anything of note for the championships, yet the best teams are taken out of this league, but somehow they are going to find £6m a year to cover the costs of 8 teams with a £750k SC.
Its simply not realistic. We struggled for years to find a broadcaster for the 2nd tier, we aren’t going to get one which pays enough to sustain a £6m in salaries for the 3rd tier.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "The current deal is worth 18m between 14 clubs, it is signed for the next 5 (inc this one) years.
Your two divisions on Sky has salary cap totals worth £28m between 20 teams. To cover those payments our 5 year £90m TV broadcasting contract would need to be a 5 year £140m contract, and what do sky get in return for an extra £10m per year? 9 fewer rounds of Super League or 18 games, and 2 fewer SL play off rounds, taking the number of SL play offs sky screen from 9 down to 3 and 18 games from what is in effect, a new name for the championship, a league which Sky weren’t prepared to pay anything for,
Premier Sports meanwhile don’t pay anything of note for the championships, yet the best teams are taken out of this league, but somehow they are going to find £6m a year to cover the costs of 8 teams with a £750k SC.
Its simply not realistic. We struggled for years to find a broadcaster for the 2nd tier, we aren’t going to get one which pays enough to sustain a £6m in salaries for the 3rd tier.'"
I concour , I just didn't want to be the one to p155 on his chips
We have what we have , just more thought and work needed to improve what we have and where we are heading to in the future
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| I know it will never happen, but it's what we should work towards I think.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Wheels "I know it will never happen, but it's what we should work towards I think.'"
The ' structure ' is fine , the financial costings are way out and the match numbers are the issue , other than that , bring it on
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| Two divisions isnt sustanable. Sky would care about Superleague and thats it. There just isnt enough money in the game for it to work. The focus should be about how to get SL up to scratch and more competitive. Splitting the league is a simple solution.
I dont see why people assume that the NRL can do it without promotion/relegation but SL can not.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: liger05 "Two divisions isnt sustanable. Sky would care about Superleague and thats it. There just isnt enough money in the game for it to work. The focus should be about how to get SL up to scratch and more competitive. Splitting the league is a simple solution.
I dont see why people assume that the NRL can do it without promotion/relegation but SL can not.'"
The NRL doesn't have the monsters of the Premier League and Champions Leagues on their doorstep , effectively taking the vast majority of the money that goes into sport in Britain/Europe , it is just that simple
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| Im not sure it is.
What we need to do is improve the product of SL until it reaches a level where we have a surplus. A surplus of money and a surplus of players. At that point it can filter down to the lower leagues. I can appreciate the principle in investing in the lower leagues and using them as a foundation, the problem is that the SL financially supports pretty much the entire game. If SL is weakened the entire game is weakened.
What we need to focus on is our product. Realistically we have one product, SL, we are developing another quite nicely International RL, There is, I think, merit in pursuing another product, international club RL. If we can have those three, successful products to sell to broadcasters I think we can start to move towards more virtuous cycles. Where RL isn’t a poor relation in terms of Salary and the game can attract more, better players, improving the game, improving the product increasing its value and allowing us to attract more better players and so on. This then filters down to the lower leagues when a better standard of player cant get a game in SL, so they drop down, improving the lower leagues, improving that league, improving the quality of their product, improving its value and allowing it to produce more, better players again increasing its quality an as so its value and so on.
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| Quote: Starbug "The NRL doesn't have the monsters of the Premier League and Champions Leagues on their doorstep , effectively taking the vast majority of the money that goes into sport in Britain/Europe , it is just that simple'"
But splitting the league doesnt remove those monsters. Splitting the league will not guarantee that every club spends up to the salary cap.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Im not sure it is.
What we need to do is improve the product of SL until it reaches a level where we have a surplus. A surplus of money and a surplus of players. At that point it can filter down to the lower leagues. I can appreciate the principle in investing in the lower leagues and using them as a foundation, the problem is that the SL financially supports pretty much the entire game. If SL is weakened the entire game is weakened.
What we need to focus on is our product. Realistically we have one product, SL, we are developing another quite nicely International RL, There is, I think, merit in pursuing another product, international club RL. If we can have those three, successful products to sell to broadcasters I think we can start to move towards more virtuous cycles. Where RL isn’t a poor relation in terms of Salary and the game can attract more, better players, improving the game, improving the product increasing its value and allowing us to attract more better players and so on. This then filters down to the lower leagues when a better standard of player cant get a game in SL, so they drop down, improving the lower leagues, improving that league, improving the quality of their product, improving its value and allowing it to produce more, better players again increasing its quality an as so its value and so on.'"
Disagree , lower tier RL will never be be financed by TV revenue , the money currently coming from central funds [ a grey area of where it actually comes from ] to the Championships is between 15-35 % of the clubs revenue , the Championships would survive without it [ although it would only be the established heartland clubs ] , having players drop down from SL would not increase the value of those clubs to the paying supporters and local businessmen who finance these clubs
TV revenue props up 80-90 % of SL , without it we would have a 3-4 team league
The Championships need to go in a different direction to SL , as you have rightly said in the past , they are essentially 2 different sports
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: liger05 "But splitting the league doesnt remove those monsters. Splitting the league will not guarantee that every club spends up to the salary cap.'"
Not saying it would on either accoumt , just pointing out why the NRL operates differently , and why we will never be able to work that way
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| Like to bet that all the Im alright Jacks who assume their club would be in a reduced league would soon change their tunes if they were under threat.
Anyhow how can the game be perceived by the general public to be progressing if they see a reduction in competing teams.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: jacques "Like to bet that all the Im alright Jacks who assume their club would be in a reduced league would soon change their tunes if they were under threat.
Anyhow how can the game be perceived by the general public to be progressing if they see a reduction in competing teams.[/quote]
That perception only works if you only see SL as RL
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| The public perception would be that the number of top flight clubs has reduced.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "The public perception would be that the number of top flight clubs has reduced.'"
Do the ' public ' have a perception of RL at all?
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