FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Widdop in bidding war
151 posts in 11 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6767No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2024Apr 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings/GNOME2.JPG
The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you. Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.:Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings/GNOME2.JPG



Quote: ratticusfinch "For bang average you might want to look at Richardson and Grace. The former being the reason Wire have to spend on aussies/NRL players for half backs when 'home grown' rubbish like him is lauded as being quality in this country. Trueman knocks him into a cocked hat.'"


I don't know how you have the nerve to criticise other clubs home produced talent when your own club currently is is one of the worse clubs in super league to produce there own, even worse is to give up on them and scavenge other clubs on the other hand there club are good at bidding wars and paying over the odds.

If we had a league comp of home product players only its very likely the wire would be relegated.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1789No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 20168 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2019Nov 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
75357_1559488330.jpeg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_75357.jpeg



Quote: rollin thunder "Boyd was not past it (neither the other two really) Boyd was driven out of Australia due to being pretty much a violent thug, calmed down about over her and just became a good tough prop. although he was always good, but could not control himself.'"

I was being sarcastic towards the bitter Weirdness fan because Widdop isn’t past it neither!

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1789No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 20168 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2019Nov 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
75357_1559488330.jpeg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_75357.jpeg



Quote: AS108 "The 4 produced by Saints were world class and some of the best in Super League. In comparison, Patton is garbage, Currie’s knee will stop him from fulfilling his potential in all likelihood and there has to be doubts whether he’ll be able to go on much longer, Philbin and Cooper both good players but aren’t close to be being the best props in SL now never mind back then. As for the rest, Livett and King are bang average and that’s being very kind, Jack Johnson isn’t good enough and I haven’t watched enough of the rest. Ultimately, the quality of player coming from the Warrington academy is poor when compared to Saints and Wigan. You only have to look at the number of current Saints players who’ve been recently been in the England team.'"

I don’t disagree with you, but you made it out like throwing money at it and having few youth team players in a squad doesn’t work. When it has, for many clubs in the past.

You are right though as it has come to light since Tony Smith left, and Steve Price has come in, that Tony Smith used to just drive back to Yorkshire where he lived after he’d done his job with the first team and didn’t spend much time at all overseeing the youth side of the club. I believe since Price came in he was surprised at the lack of culture of the youth team playing the same way as the first team and the pathway to get into the first team hadn’t been positive at Wire. For a club that once brought Iestyn Harris and Paul Shorpe within a few years of each other, a town the size of Warrington and a town that has no professional football team, isn’t good.

If we can keep hold of Price for a good amount of time I can see that changing. Our youth sides have always been there or there abouts at youth level over the years. It’s just that pathway hasn’t been as good as at other clubs.

But let’s not pretend “throwing absurd amount of money at it” (there’s absolutely nowt absurd about it at all by the way!) doesn’t work.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach9862No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
50850_1311263484.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50850.jpg



Quote: AS108 "You are correct, the only reason to join Warrington ahead of Saints, Leeds and Wigan is because of the absurd amounts of money they pay.'"

Leeds and Wigan yes.

Maybe he joined Warrington over Saints to win trophies and play in major finals.

The last 10 years:-

Warrington:-
9 major finals
5 trophies

Saints:-
4 major finals
3 trophies

It's a good job for you Ben Flower handed you that Grand Final win.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1024No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20187 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Leeds and Wigan yes.

Maybe he joined Warrington over Saints to win trophies and play in major finals.

The last 10 years

Let’s remember that despite Wire spending a considerable amount more, we have won a trophy more recently than you.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach9862No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
50850_1311263484.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50850.jpg



Quote: AS108 "Let’s remember that despite Wire spending a considerable amount more, we have won a trophy more recently than you.'"

But have won less over the last 10 years, correct?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2792
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
18243.jpg
Ettinghausen's gone ice skatin':18243.jpg



Doesn't matter, they're winning the youth production league constantly (which begs the question why they'd need to sign Jack Owens at any point). I know Real Madrid fans want to trade in their 13 European Cups for Crewe Alexandra's youth production line.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1024No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20187 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: ratticusfinch "Doesn't matter, they're winning the youth production league constantly (which begs the question why they'd need to sign Jack Owens at any point). I know Real Madrid fans want to trade in their 13 European Cups for Crewe Alexandra's youth production line.'"


That is absolutely comical, you say that as though Wire have 13 of rugby’s equivalent of the European Cup when you have a grand total of zero and have won no major trophies for 7 years. You aren’t winning the youth production league and you aren’t winning anything else either.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1024No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20187 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Lord Tony Smith "But have won less over the last 10 years, correct?'"


And over the last 20 years Saints have won more, your point is?

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain31No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20196 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2019Jan 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
77378_1547814083.jpeg
19 <3 Huddersfield! Giants <3 Town <3 Kirklees College - Dog Grooming BTEC Level 3:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_77378.jpeg



Would have loved Gaz at Huddersfield but we do have Frawley and Gaskell who would just edge it to the starting line up I think so we're all set.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1087No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 20186 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2019Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
77270_1562571079.jpg
The Leigh and Wakefield fans mentality...... Say something negative about any other team than theirs - Its an opinion Say something negative about Leigh and Wakefield - TROLL:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_77270.jpg



Still no SL titles though

Guffaw

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach9862No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
50850_1311263484.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50850.jpg



Quote: AS108 "And over the last 20 years Saints have won more, your point is?'"

I think my point is quite clear. You suggested Widdop chose Wire over Saints for purely financial reasons. I'm merely pointing out that maybe, just maybe he could have picked Wire over Saints to become more successful as in recent years Wire have won and played in more finals than Saints.

Have you grasped it now?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman17139No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
755_1290430740.jpg
“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21 A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_755.jpg



Good thread this.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2622
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
45934_1538869507.jpg
[quote="Lebron James":37zhy5zz] [b:37zhy5zz]Saints by 32 Regards King James[/b:37zhy5zz] [/quote:37zhy5zz]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_45934.jpg



Quote: AS108 "I’m hardly moaning, Wires big spending has gotten them a lot less than it should in terms of success. When McManus was pumping money into Saints we were actually successful.'"



Nostalgia is a wonderful thing.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1024No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20187 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Lord Tony Smith "I think my point is quite clear. You suggested Widdop chose Wire over Saints for purely financial reasons. I'm merely pointing out that maybe, just maybe he could have picked Wire over Saints to become more successful as in recent years Wire have won and played in more finals than Saints.

Have you grasped it now?'"


I was hoping that wasn’t your point because it’s a daft one. It’s debatable as to whether 10 years could be described as ‘recent years’, I’d say that 5 years is. In that time we’ve won more than you so yes I’d say he has joined purely for financial reasons. Then again we couldn’t have been in for him so I suppose it’s irrelevant anyway.

151 posts in 11 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
151 posts in 11 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.33447265625:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62567
7m
Rumours thread
Dunkirk Spir
2416
10m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40172
12m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
just_browny
3306
13m
Film game
Boss Hog
4036
16m
Leigh it is
NickyKiss
62
Recent
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Douglas Blac
9
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2398
Recent
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
Recent
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
118
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
33s
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62567
41s
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
44s
Rumours thread
Dunkirk Spir
2416
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40172
1m
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
4036
2m
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
118
2m
Call for funds
Tony Fax
108
4m
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
4m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Douglas Blac
9
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
TODAY
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
6
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Douglas Blac
9
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
NickyKiss
62
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
635
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
675
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1121
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1376
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1123
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1537
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1250
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1479
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1625
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1894
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1589
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1659
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1844
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1663
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2112
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M 3,015 80,12914,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TOMORROW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R29
20:00
Hull KR
v
Warrington
 Sat 5th Oct
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R29
17:30
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sun 6th Oct
     National Rugby League 2024-R31
09:30
Melbourne
v
Penrith
       League One 2024-R26
15:00
Keighley
v
Hunslet
       Championship 2024-R29
15:00
Bradford
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Widnes
     Womens Super League 2024-R16
16:30
York V
v
St.HelensW
 Sun 27th Oct
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 4th Oct
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Warrington
Sat 5th Oct
SL
17:30
Wigan-Leigh
Sun 6th Oct
L1
15:00
Keighley-Hunslet
WSL2024
16:30
York V-St.HelensW
NRL
09:30
Melbourne-Penrith
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 29th Sep
L1 25 Rochdale26-46Hunslet
CH 28 Barrow24-26Widnes
CH 28 Bradford50-0Swinton
CH 28 Dewsbury28-8Sheffield
CH 28 Wakefield72-6Doncaster
CH 28 Whitehaven23-20Halifax
CH 28 York16-6Featherstone
Sat 28th Sep
CH 28 Toulouse64-16Batley
SL 28 Warrington23-22St.Helens
NRL 30 Penrith26-6Cronulla
Fri 27th Sep
SL 28 Salford6-14Leigh
NRL 30 Melbourne48-18Sydney
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Warrington 28 761 341 420 42
Hull KR 27 719 327 392 42
Leigh 28 580 404 176 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
Bradford 26 678 387 291 34
York 27 655 469 186 30
Widnes 26 551 475 76 29
Featherstone 26 622 500 122 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62567
7m
Rumours thread
Dunkirk Spir
2416
10m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40172
12m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
just_browny
3306
13m
Film game
Boss Hog
4036
16m
Leigh it is
NickyKiss
62
Recent
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Douglas Blac
9
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2398
Recent
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
Recent
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
118
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
33s
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62567
41s
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
44s
Rumours thread
Dunkirk Spir
2416
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40172
1m
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
1m
Film game
Boss Hog
4036
2m
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
118
2m
Call for funds
Tony Fax
108
4m
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
4m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Douglas Blac
9
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
TODAY
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
6
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Douglas Blac
9
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
NickyKiss
62
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
635
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
675
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1121
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1376
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1123
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1537
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1250
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1479
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1625
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1894
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1589
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1659
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1844
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1663
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2112


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!