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| Quote: IR80 "I'm assuming he'll never be motm either...
And for JEANSteph to say BetFred cause misery is garbage, they do not FORCE anyone to bet.'"
Thats another incredibly simplistic way of looking at it. No one forces anyone to drink or smoke either. and several betting companies have been found to not do enough to deal with gambling addicts. In fact some companies encourage addicts. Not saying BetFred is one of them obviously.
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| Quote: snowie "Hypocrite if you ask me
Er no.
Buying shares is permissible in Islam. There is stipulations which would make it un- permissible but unless you can tell me Toronto are engaging practices which are not allowed in Islam then calling SBW a hypocrite is not fair at all.
Why do you have a problem with what SBW has chosen to do?
You remind me of the people who got angry when Yaha Toure refused to accept a bottle of champagne when he was awarded MotM in soccer games when he was @ Man City.
Quote: snowie "We'll find out if it's a problem if/when he takes the field for Toronto. Until then we dont know just how determined he is to stick with his views.
However, unless he wants SL to find a new sponsor, there will be plenty of Betfred mentions and logos all around him.'"
And where did SBW say SL should find a new sponsor. He is doing something for himself. He directly doesn't want to promote gambling. He also won't do any corporate functions which promote alcohol or gambling. He has done this ever since he became a Muslim. It's nothing new.
What the competition does around him is not relevant at all.
Next thing to moan about will be SBW only eating halal meat so Toronto have had to change their meat suppliers.
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| Quote: Angelus "Thats another incredibly simplistic way of looking at it. No one forces anyone to drink or smoke either. and several betting companies have been found to not do enough to deal with gambling addicts. In fact some companies encourage addicts. Not saying BetFred is one of them obviously.'"
Come on then, state who has been found not to do enough, and by whom, and who encourages it.
But I warn you, be VERY sure of your facts.
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| Quote: kobashi "Er no.
Buying shares is permissible in Islam. There is stipulations which would make it un- permissible but unless you can tell me Toronto are engaging practices which are not allowed in Islam then calling SBW a hypocrite is not fair at all.
Why do you have a problem with what SBW has chosen to do?
You remind me of the people who got angry when Yaha Toure refused to accept a bottle of champagne when he was awarded MotM in soccer games when he was @ Man City.
And where did SBW say SL should find a new sponsor. He is doing something for himself. He directly doesn't want to promote gambling. He also won't do any corporate functions which promote alcohol or gambling. He has done this ever since he became a Muslim. It's nothing new.
What the competition does around him is not relevant at all.
Next thing to moan about will be SBW only eating halal meat so Toronto have had to change their meat suppliers.'" eh yes
I don't have a problem at all on what SBW does and what he get paid and does with his money but if your going to put your self on a pedestal then get prepared to be knocked of it.
It's simple buying shares in anything is a gamble it is not guaranteed a return no different than placing a bet, I await next to hear he likes eating a full English breakfast
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| Quote: snowie "eh yes
I don't have a problem at all on what SBW does and what he get paid and does with his money but if your going to put your self on a pedestal then get prepared to be knocked of it.
It's simple buying shares in anything is a gamble it is not guaranteed a return no different than placing a bet, I await next to hear he likes eating a full English breakfast'"
In fairness to SBW he hasn't said anything himself, unlike Israel Folau who New York are chasing (apparently), IF Folau is allowed to play in a team associated in any way with RL in the Northern Hemisphere then a lot of people, sponsors included, will walk away from the sport.
But, back to the topic, "The key to success" first someone needs to define success, it comes in many forms and different people perceive each of those forms differently.
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| Quote: kobashi "Er no.
Buying shares is permissible in Islam. There is stipulations which would make it un- permissible but unless you can tell me Toronto are engaging practices which are not allowed in Islam then calling SBW a hypocrite is not fair at all.
Why do you have a problem with what SBW has chosen to do?
You remind me of the people who got angry when Yaha Toure refused to accept a bottle of champagne when he was awarded MotM in soccer games when he was @ Man City.
And where did SBW say SL should find a new sponsor. He is doing something for himself. He directly doesn't want to promote gambling. He also won't do any corporate functions which promote alcohol or gambling. He has done this ever since he became a Muslim. It's nothing new.
What the competition does around him is not relevant at all.
Next thing to moan about will be SBW only eating halal meat so Toronto have had to change their meat suppliers.'"
Since TWP actively encourage, and make money from, the trading of alcohol (they hold a beer festival at every home game) I'd have thought they would be regarded as a banned company to hold shares in for a muslim.
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| Quote: IR80 "SBW is refusing to wear the sponsors logo, can TWP embarass the game any further...?'"
I wonder if he's trying to use the moral high ground as an excuse to break his contract?
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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "I wonder if he's trying to use the moral high ground as an excuse to break his contract?'"
Ridiculous! How many times does this need to be said, SBW did the exact same thing in Rugby Union. This is nothing new!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... ling-logos
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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "I wonder if he's trying to use the moral high ground as an excuse to break his contract?'"
Ridiculous! How many times does this need to be said, SBW did the exact same thing in Rugby Union. This is nothing new!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... ling-logos
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| Quote: kobashi "Ridiculous! How many times does this need to be said, SBW did the exact same thing in Rugby Union. This is nothing new!
My objection to wearing clothing that markets banks, alcohol and gambling companies is central to my religious beliefs
so he won't be wearing ANY TWP branding as they promote alcohol and he will give up his shares, his pension, maybe he can play in sack cloth with a crown of thorns too.?
He best get rid of his tattoos as well...
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| Quote: IR80 "My objection to wearing clothing that markets banks, alcohol and gambling companies is central to my religious beliefs
so he won't be wearing ANY TWP branding as they promote alcohol and he will give up his shares, his pension, maybe he can play in sack cloth with a crown of thorns too.?
He best get rid of his tattoos as well...'"
He won’t wear the logo, but he takes the money from behind it.
Bloody hypocrite..
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| Quote: kobashi "Ridiculous! How many times does this need to be said, SBW did the exact same thing in Rugby Union. This is nothing new!
The very significant difference between that and this is that he is a (part) owner of TWP, a business that actively encourages and promotes (and likely benefits financially from) the sale and consumption of alcohol and also advertises gambling. Owning shares in a company that does such means that he is condoning the actions - Sharia law doesn't allow you to pick and chose which bits of a company you have shares in to ignore.
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| Why are people surprised at religion giving rise to inconsistent/hypocritical behaviours?
Personally, I never expect fiction to make too much sense.
That said - no issue with SBW (or any other player for that matter) objecting to advertising gambling, alcohol, cigarettes, payday loans or anything else they choose to object to. If their employers and the sponsors themselves can deal with it I don't see why we should get animated.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Why are people surprised at religion giving rise to inconsistent/hypocritical behaviours?
Personally, I never expect fiction to make too much sense.
That said - no issue with SBW (or any other player for that matter) objecting to advertising gambling, alcohol, cigarettes, payday loans or anything else they choose to object to. If their employers and the sponsors themselves can deal with it I don't see why we should get animated.'"
You do know what the cross with the horizontal in ascendecy means I assume?
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| Quote: IR80 "You do know what the cross with the horizontal in ascendecy means I assume?'"
I have no idea what you mean nor why it relates to my post?
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| Muslims around the world are now talking about rugby league due to SBW. That can only be good for the game
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