Have we no better 'half backs' than those 2... good grief !

Not sure why you dont like the Mcbanana bit other than you have previously being an apologist for him.

HE was a crap coach in SL and is a crap international coach.

The difference is some of us said it 3 years ago rather than waited until he dragged England down.

I think is pretty spot on.

Whilst not perfect I think the stick McNamara took over the last two internationals campaigns in 2013 & 2014 was over the top.

However he's taken a massive backwards step this year. Like a football manager who knows he's one game away from the sack he's sent his team out to grind out a win to save his job.

What's frustrating and I've mentioned before is the comparisons to other sports.

Start of the year England's cricket play in a World Cup and embarrass themselves with an old fashioned tedious dull style of play.

Last month England's RU play in a World Cup and embarrass themselves with an old fashioned tedious dull style of play

Both seemed hell bent on picking certain players when it wasn't working.......so does McNamara heed that warning? Nope he does the exact same thing.

Nothing wrong with not liking McNamara. But calling him McBanana makes you sound like a stupid 6 year old.

The failure to produce quality half backs has been the the biggest reason we haven't had a successful international team for 25 years. Super League clubs would rather ship in average Aussies than try trust in and develop their own.

Wire have just shipped out Myler and signed an Aussie, Saints have 2 Aussies, HKR have 2, Roberts at Cas, Salford have (or had) 2, etc.

We had one called Kevin Sinfield but people whinged and complained about him being in the team even though people argued he brought a leadership and structure to the team......two qualities people are crying out for right about now.

We also have a halfback called Danny McGuire who was the MOM in this year's GF and in most people's eyes the MOM in last year Challenge Cup Final. It's surprising he didn't get picked and Gale did, because you know.....players only get picked based on what club they play for.

I've just got in after a throughly underwhelming day and this post sums up my thoughts since full time.

The same Kevin Sinfield that did f*ck all playing for England and that's why people whinged about him being in the team? And McGuire hasn't done any more than the other half backs in the squad to earn a call up with maybe the exception of Smith. It's hilarious how quick you idiots on here change your tune.

Hardaker's been great so far though hasn't he?

"Sinfield did f**k all?" Despite his flaws, only through pure stubbornness would anyone deny that he certainly played better than Smith in 2014 and Williams and Widdop in 2015 for England.

McGuire done nothing?

He, Smith and Williams all played in the Grand Final.....who walked away with the Man Of The Match award??? Where were the latter two hiding in the final minutes when your prop Tony Clubb was forced to put up a pitiful punt on the last tackle?

Not denying what Sinfield did at club level but:

He did do f**k all for England whether Leeds fans like it or not. Quite frankly as England captain and the main man he was e, like Oloughlin. I don't know what the solution is but I tell you what I don't miss Sinfield being the automatic stand off.

What I do know for a fact is Virgin Trains advertised in RL, something that would not have happened a year ago.

Is it just me who thinks our three quarters would be more effective if we swapped the wingers over? Burgess has played left next to Bateman all year and Ryan Hall can play right wing and plays with Watkins.

Everyone harping on about the halves and redundant three quarters but imo this performance lies solely at the door of McNamara and his game plan, or lack of. You could see from minute one that all we were trying to do was barge up the middle and work off the back of quick plays, which rarely happened.It was the same last week, only reason we won was the fact we were given several penalties and turnover ball at the start of the second period and the Kiwis ran out of steam allowing us to score a couple of barge over tries.Yesterday they smartened up and cut all that out which meant we were made to look clueless.

I'm undecided what i want to see more on saturday, an England grind out win to take the series and McNamara keeps his job, which imo would be disasterous for us moving forward or a defeat which will enforce the changes desperately needed if we are to make the next step and beat the NZ and OZ in big games.

And so the inter club bickering begins.

The wigan contingent were appalling yesterday.

Bateman looked like he'd be better off on the building site and williams was like a school boy amongst men.