Pish posh, no-one is more exciting under the high ball then Greg Eden.

What that excitement is depends on which side you support.

He was signed as a star and is going back from whence he came with a lesser reputation than when he arrived. You denying this is just endemic of how one eyed you are.


These boards and especially the Wigan forum were awash with threads blaming Moran. The FACT (coz you like them) was that you signed a 2 time top try scoring machine and didn't know how to get the best out of him.

every cloud and all that

Do those stats tell you where the tackles were missed? Because if all of Tomkins were one on ones that led to tries and all of Zak's were inconsequential misses in the opposition half you certainly wouldn't be making these claims would you? Zak already has a showreel of incredible try saving tackles that anyone with a full career behind them would be proud of and I wouldn't be surprised if Sam's very best effort couldn't make it in to Zak's top ten. He's that good. Saying he's that good isn't saying Sam'srubbish, but if anyone on here genuinely wants to suggest that Sam is better than our equal to Zak defensively or under the high ball then quite simply you are wrong. Tomkins is a wonderful player, but in those two specific areas he comes off second best, what's the shame in saying that? Stats are meaningless without contextand once these are put into meaningful context ie. where the missedtackles were and how costly.

I'd back Zak to score against Sam more than vice versa because of Zak's defence, then it changes things a bit.

I'd still love to see Sam in a Leeds shirt as an attacking force, but let's not pretend he's something he's not.

And yet you make stupid comments like the one below, claiming that try scoring records of players who've played in very different positions for large parts of their careers is somehow meaningful.



Eddie Hemmings would be proud.

You assume wrong sunbeam, I think Sam's deficiencies in defence are overstated though.

Strange that you would take issue with a post saying ZH's defence is better then.

Are you sure the bias sits with everybody else? Ever considered you might just be being a bit precious about our Sam when you take issue with statements that you actually agree with yourself?

Fair enough I've been proven wrong, Tomkins is !

I didnt take issue with the point itself, but more the way you said Hardaker is HUGELY superior in defence and Tomkins Slightly better in attack. And that was my point about not expecting a Saints fan to be impartial.

JimLav's reply to you about confirmation bias is spot on, you probably don't even know you're doing it in your own mind, you'll just find ways to rationalise your particular biases. I'm probably guilty of it myself towards Saints players.

Samuel Tomkins was at about the mid-range among NRL full backs. Not brilliant but not bad either.

Next year when he retreats back to his natural level in Super League, against struggling clubs like Leigh, I expect him to shine more brightly.

Still injured apparently and not even travelling to the gold coast.....3 games this year.......he's not an nrl standard player and now we're paying his wages to recuperate and be a star v Leigh next year!

Tomkins' poorest area in the NRL is kick returns IMO. He's not great under the high ball, and he's small so one-on-one can get run over. He is though pretty good at organising the defence. Basically the more I see of him the less convinced I am that full back is is his best position. If he were to stay at the Warriors I'd move him to 6 sharpish.

Hardaker is excellent at kick returns and one-on-one-defence. His passing in general play are sub par though - as a general attacking player Tomkins is much superior IMO.

Given Matty Bowen's disaster under the high ball at the weekend, I'm surprised that Wigan fans are so quick to dismiss the importance of safety under the high ball when comparing the two players. I know who I want under the bomb for England at the end of the season.

Tomkins is a very important signing for Wigan though. With Charnley's drop in form and the outstanding Joe Burgess leaving, Wigan need to boost that attacking threat out wide which is their main weapon.