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| I seriously hope McBanana knows what he's doing, as I'm really not confident.
I had my doubts over him leaving Matty Smith out of the squad and picking Chase, as I think Smith has been far more consistent than Chase for the last two seasons. I don't like Sinfield as an international standoff, if we need to boost our playmaking because we don't have enough quality in the halves I would much rather have gone with Smith and Widdop and move Sinfield to 13.
I'm hoping they surprise me, I really am, but without Graham and O'Loughlin the pack looks underpowered, I'm not even a great fan of O'Loughlin, but this side just looks a bit makeweight when we know the Aussies have got some real quality throughout their side. How many of our squad would get close to an Aussie squad? Graham and Sam Burgess are arguably better than a number of forwards in the Aussie squad, and I'm sure they'd find space for Tompkins even if as a back-up player, Hall is probably as good a winger as they have got, and maybe Roby might just edge in as a back-up hooker. But otherwise it doesn't look great.
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| McNamara has just walked out of the press conference. Persistent questioning about Hock and the players not picked and he stopped the conference
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| Quote: Saddened! "Pathetic and pointless. What on earth is he going to do from the bench?'"
I agree. Farrell is an 80 minute work horse not an impact player off the bench.
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| I'd go with
Tomkins
Charnley
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Allowing Sinfield at 13 gives us 3 halves on the field and widdop on the bench is a waste of a spot.
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| Quote: RhinoNeil "Is it me or have we just got no pack leader what so ever? Over the years we've had Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell, Fielden then the bat got passed to JP with the help of Moz...but that forward pack doesn't have one for me.
In the past we haven't gone badly against Australia in the forwards, we just generally lack the intelligence out of dummy half and in the half backs. But with the old guard firmly in retirement It really lacks experience. The hopeful return of Graham and O'Loughlin will be a huge bonus next week, but I fear for us this week. Sinfield has it all to do leading this mob around the pack.'"
That would have been Graham, can,t explain, need to catch a bus.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I am not sure why people keep posting line-ups with Farrell starting.
He is definitely on the bench, as is Ablett. Ferres is starting.'"
Told Farrell and burrow miss out. Mossop T Burgess Ablett and Widdop on bench. Told by one of bench. Who knows.
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| Nobody think Sinfield will start at hooker?
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| Quote: Bull Mania "Play him and you get disharmony within the group and you get the 08 fiasco again. Mcnamara has done the right thing. One player alone won't make that much of a difference whether we beat the Aussies or not, we have to play as a team and play for one another.
Graham will come back and be even more hungry now, he will play to redeem himself, and his coach and team mates.'"
Not sure Graham needs to be dropped from this or any other game to be made 'more hungry'. His appetite to play and succeed can never be questioned. If he has broke the rules, then by all means discipline him and if that means dropping him, so be it. Some comment on here that it shows strength by McNamara but if a third of the squad have already ignored his no alcohol ban at this late stage, then there's is perhaps little respect there already.
The way the Cup is structured, its clear we are going to reach the quarters and likely the semis, so its a bit of false muscle flexing by the coach and no doubt the players will understand that.
Its interesting to note that a player may (or may not) be dropped for going for a drink, but some will retain their place after several mediocre performances through this tournament.
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| Quote: RhinoNeil "Is it me or have we just got no pack leader what so ever? Over the years we've had Sculthorpe, Andy Farrell, Fielden then the bat got passed to JP with the help of Moz...but that forward pack doesn't have one for me.
In the past we haven't gone badly against Australia in the forwards, we just generally lack the intelligence out of dummy half and in the half backs. But with the old guard firmly in retirement It really lacks experience. The hopeful return of Graham and O'Loughlin will be a huge bonus next week, but I fear for us this week. Sinfield has it all to do leading this mob around the pack.'"
My command of our language is not always good but surely the above is the definition of a paradox. You state that we used to have strong packs and leaders but we've lacked in the halves and dummies but then go on to say Sinfield has it all to do with this mob. As he has failed to do it for about ten years behind those packs you mentioned, its not going to happen this year. Playing the likes of Sinfield in the halves at this level is a waste when there is a better half on the bench.
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| Quote: wertyuio "My command of our language is not always good but surely the above is the definition of a paradox. You state that we used to have strong packs and leaders but we've lacked in the halves and dummies but then go on to say Sinfield has it all to do with this mob. As he has failed to do it for about ten years behind those packs you mentioned, its not going to happen this year. Playing the likes of Sinfield in the halves at this level is a waste when there is a better half on the bench.'"
How has Sinfield failed for the last 10 years behind that pack, he's only been first choice half back for 2 years, that pack has also consistently failed every year, and every year we say we have a better pack, we have never had a better pack than Australia at any point in the last 10 years, as it happens I reckon we now have a pack to at least match them.
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| Quote: christopher "How has Sinfield failed for the last 10 years behind that pack, he's only been first choice half back for 2 years, that pack has also consistently failed every year, and every year we say we have a better pack, we have never had a better pack than Australia at any point in the last 10 years, as it happens I reckon we now have a pack to at least match them.'"
I agree.but we only match them with Graham and O'Loughlin in that pack.Sam Burgess needs a wow game today with the rest of the forwards need to play above their normal levels in SL for us to get a foot hold IMO.
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| Quote: Cripesginger "Told Farrell and burrow miss out. Mossop T Burgess Ablett and Widdop on bench. Told by one of bench. Who knows.'"
If that's the case then McNamara has changed his mind since earlier in the week. Farrell was told he was gonna be on the bench.
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| I'm still trying to work out why Sinfield is anywhere near the field but then...................
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "If that's the case then McNamara has changed his mind since earlier in the week. Farrell was told he was gonna be on the bench.'" George Riley on twitter reckons Ferres and Burrow miss out, which would make sense to me.
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| Quote: Major Tom "George Riley on twitter reckons Ferres and Burrow miss out, which would make sense to me.'"
Team has been named. Burrow and Farrell miss out.
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