FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > England withdraw Hock
255 posts in 18 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
International Star1002No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2015Feb 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Biff Tannen "The England coach needs to come out asap and reveal all the facts, the rumours will just keep coming otherwise.A line needs drawing under the situation fast so the rest of the squad can focus on the next few days to make sure we at least compete on saturday.

like TheButcher says, lets let all the facts filter through first.They will.'"

Exactly. It's hopelessly naive to think that the best way to handle this is "no further comment". A player has been kicked out of the squad on the eve of the World Cup. Does anyone seriously think that fans, pundits, non-selected players, etc. etc. are going to think "oh well, they won't tell us why, so that's the end of it, I'll move on" ? However unpleasant, you need to deal with it. Because it's so close the first game, you have to deal with it at an uncomfortable speed, but hey, tough luck, it needs to be done. If you need to grab a few lawyers first then do so, and make 'em work the nightshift so that you can quickly come up with the informative statement required to deal with this as effectively as possible. Sounds like it might be happening, so will wait and see.

RankPostsTeam
International Star594No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2014Apr 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Sounds like trip to SA was a really beneficial team bonding exercise.
The mind boggles as to how any player can exhibit behaviour warranting being disciplined in the lead up to a World Cup.
These guys are supposed to be the elite of our sport and role models etc.

RankPostsTeam
International Star1002No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2015Feb 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Albion "Rumour on our board is that he was fighting with Graham.

Whatever has happened, I'n glad he's gone. He's a massive liability and has been crap this season.'"

Has anyone checked the state of Hock's ears?

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach2531No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2022May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Chris28 "Let's see who has a black eye on Saturday for the warm up!

Have to say that Koukash's Twitter (if it is him - I'm not sure) is pretty unprofessional for a club owner.'"


Yep @DrMar is the real Koukash and I agree it is....Worth a follow though.

RankPostsTeam
International Star3368No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2015Jan 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



skysports reporting he didn't show up to the training camp, can hardly blame the RFL or anybody else for that.

RankPostsTeam
International Star2666No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201312 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2017Nov 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: dubairl "skysports reporting he didn't show up to the training camp, can hardly blame the RFL or anybody else for that.'"


If that is the case, what were the reasons behind him missing training? Also, does failure to miss training (for whatever reason - personal or not) constitute a serious breach of conduct and warrant immediate and permanent explusion from the squad 3 days before the first game of the World Cup.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7167No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Dave Lister "Hock has previous, the others don't. Get over it.'"


Completely irrelevant. It is the week before the start of the WC. The national spot light is on and we are coming off the back off a humiliating defeat to Italy.
I wouldn't expect anything less than absolutely 100%
commitment. They should all be treated the same for this incident, not what has happened at club level.

I don't know the full facts, maybe Hock was worse than the others, but they all need severely punishing if they have breached team discipline.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator21036
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: John Gilbert Reds "If that is the case, what were the reasons behind him missing training? Also, does failure to miss training (for whatever reason - personal or not) constitute a serious breach of conduct and warrant immediate and permanent explusion from the squad 3 days before the first game of the World Cup.'"


Not turning up is a good reason to kick him out in my opinion.
It's not like a club side where there is a long term plan and long term contract to think about.
This is all about preparations for the next game and then the next 5.
If he goes missing he is not in with the team, no point carrying him, especially if there was a bust up that caused it.

You need to keep the rest of the team together so get rid if he isn't "together"

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach2531No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2022May 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: John Gilbert Reds "If that is the case, what were the reasons behind him missing training? Also, does failure to miss training (for whatever reason - personal or not) constitute a serious breach of conduct and warrant immediate and permanent explusion from the squad 3 days before the first game of the World Cup.'"


I should hope so. If you can't even get yourself to training a week before representing your country in the World Cup then you clearly don't want to be there.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7167No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Also I Mcnamara is very relieved he didn't choose the other "bad apple" Brough...

RankPostsTeam
International Star2666No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201312 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2017Nov 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: PopTart "Not turning up is a good reason to kick him out in my opinion.
It's not like a club side where there is a long term plan and long term contract to think about.
This is all about preparations for the next game and then the next 5.
If he goes missing he is not in with the team, no point carrying him, especially if there was a bust up that caused it.

You need to keep the rest of the team together so get rid if he isn't "together"'"


Dont you think kicking him out will do the complete opposite to what you have suggested? Gareth Hock has a lot of friends in that camp such as Tomkins, Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, McIllorum, O'Loughlin, Chase etc and if reports are said to be true they are all unhappy with the decision. McNamara may have created a situation, a potential divide in the camp when perhaps it didnt need that. It stinks of poor management to me.

Quote: PopTart "I should hope so. If you can't even get yourself to training a week before representing your country in the World Cup then you clearly don't want to be there.'"


What were his reasons for missing training, if it is indeed confirmed that is what has happened? I wathed a Gareth Hock interview on the Salford site last week and he was eager and excited about representing his country.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11032No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2020Mar 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Dont you think kicking him out will do the complete opposite to what you have suggested? Gareth Hock has a lot of friends in that camp such as Tomkins, Charnley, Mossop, Farrell, McIllorum, O'Loughlin, Chase etc and if reports are said to be true they are all unhappy with the decision. McNamara may have created a situation, a potential divide in the camp when perhaps it didnt need that. It stinks of poor management to me'"


Stinks of Hock never changing his dumb ways no matter how many times it bites him on the ar$e. How many times does this vile idiot mess up and how many times is it somebody else's fault ???

Would he have got a game anyway ??? Losing him will not hurt us half as much as losing one of our better forwards would.

RankPostsTeam
International Star322No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201312 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2017Apr 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: PopTart "Not turning up is a good reason to kick him out in my opinion.
It's not like a club side where there is a long term plan and long term contract to think about.
This is all about preparations for the next game and then the next 5.
If he goes missing he is not in with the team, no point carrying him, especially if there was a bust up that caused it.

You need to keep the rest of the team together so get rid if he isn't "together"'"


Several sources are now saying that a lot of the England squad are very unhappy with the manner of Hocks dismissal.Hows that working on morale and keeping the team "together"

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8594
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



if they are ok for players to not turn up to training the week leading up to the first world cup game, then they are as thick as Hock is

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach35No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2015Aug 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Hock, McIlorum and Graham out on it against orders. Hock doesn't show up next day.
Hock bulleted, the other two stood down for Saturday.

255 posts in 18 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
255 posts in 18 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


9.7880859375:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
48m
Film game
karetaker
5766
Recent
Getting a new side to gel
Wigan Bull
2
Recent
New Kit
Cokey
70
Recent
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
Recent
Fixtures 2025
Wigan Bull
10
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Seth
517
Recent
Ground Improvements
phe13
198
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Theeaststand
4048
Recent
Shopping list for 2025
HU8HFC
5588
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
1m
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
2m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
2m
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
212
2m
New Kit
Cokey
70
3m
Ground Improvements
phe13
198
3m
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
4m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Khlav Kalash
2
5m
Spirit of the Rhinos
chapylad
6
5m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Khlav Kalash
2
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Getting a new side to gel
Wigan Bull
2
TODAY
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
TODAY
Writers required
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M 1,429 ↓-1380,15614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R1
18:00
Toulouse
v
Widnes
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
       Championship 2025-R1
15:00
Bradford
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Doncaster
15:00
Oldham
v
York
15:00
Sheffield
v
Halifax
15:00
Barrow
v
Hunslet
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
       League One 2025-R1
15:00
Cornwall
v
Workington
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Crusaders
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
48m
Film game
karetaker
5766
Recent
Getting a new side to gel
Wigan Bull
2
Recent
New Kit
Cokey
70
Recent
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
Recent
Fixtures 2025
Wigan Bull
10
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Seth
517
Recent
Ground Improvements
phe13
198
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Theeaststand
4048
Recent
Shopping list for 2025
HU8HFC
5588
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
1m
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
2m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
2m
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
212
2m
New Kit
Cokey
70
3m
Ground Improvements
phe13
198
3m
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
4m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Khlav Kalash
2
5m
Spirit of the Rhinos
chapylad
6
5m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Khlav Kalash
2
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Getting a new side to gel
Wigan Bull
2
TODAY
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
TODAY
Writers required
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!