Not forgetting, of course, a Great Britain coach that also selected him to represent his country against some of the best players in the world.

And at that time he had the potential to become the best prop forward of his generation, then he discovered panto and decided to be a clown instead

Kylie may not bring drama but he is the only prop at Leeds who hurts the opposition in attack and defence he is a brick wall and he will be a massive loss IMO to our pack

Agreed, the fact that he doesn't bring drama was a compliment.

Yes I took what you wrote as a compliment to him.

Again I am neither a bailey lover or a bailey basher. I think he kops an unfair rep as a coward though.
But in general I think the players from AUS are alot better at media work and interacting with the fans. Two examples.

Last year I attended a Leeds game last year with my mate and his 5yr old girl who is a big fan of bailey after the game she was there with her autograph book waiting and he just shoved past saying not today, leaving an embarrassed JJB to sign her autograph book.

In contrast Brent Webb was brilliant with the fans and kids, it used to take him ages to get to the changing rooms before the game and kylie is exacally the same, a really really nice bloke away from the field and a real credit to himself and the club off the field as well.

"Coward" isn't strictly fair, but he is distinctly different from the traditional "enforcer" in that they would generally seek out the biggest and hardest opposition player to send out a message. Too many cheap shots for me to ever earn the title "enforcer".

If Bailey does see himself as something of an enforcer, I'd prefer him to drop the notion and getting on with playing the game. As for the traditional enforcers, I don't recall too many who were averse to rattling the opposition's playmakers as well as their hard men.

It comes down to priorities. Bailey consistently gives the impression that he much prefers cheap shots on 'playmakers' (aka anyone smaller than him) than lining up the opposition's biggest and hardest players. Any fan would want him in their team? No chance. I've 'hated' ( in the pantomime sports sense - they may be lovely people off the field) plenty players for whom that's true, but not Bailey. He's just not that good, and there's nothing more embarrassing than a big guy who's a cheap shot merchant.

Ive seen bailey absolutely crunch Adrian Morley, Ive seen him smash Maurie Fa’asavlu, Cause a big ruckus and then take the very next ball in. After whiteheads dropped JJB on his head easter Monday, we had a bit of pushing and shoving, things got a little tasty, Bailey ran the next ball right at Nick Scruton who woke up in Disneyland.

I’ve also seen ‘hard men’ like Paul Sculthorpe strike Bailey whilst he was playing the ball, and enemy of doormen throughout Hull Lee Radford throw punches until his arms got tired while Bailey was laid on the floor after a tackle. Bailey grinned, threw his weight around a little and carried on playing.

To say Bailey doesn’t get involved with forwards or tough men, or is excessive at cheap shots is nonsense. Regardless of going looking for the big men, Bailey makes sure the Big men are looking for him, and wears his target badge with pride.

Bailey is a big, strong, tough guy, brave and works hard, he puts himself to the front and takes what comes, gets up and does it all again. Another name for guys like that is Prop Forward.

But not as good as Nigel Wood though?

Jesus Christ that is an awful effort.

I think we know.

Here's a fascinating, balanced piece about him by a man who knows a thing or two about being an enforcer.

rlhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22034937rl

The following supports what I think we're both driving at about why it gets under peoples skin when that uppity niggler tries to play the role we all so so affectionatley reserve for the likes of Morley, McDermott and Peacock.

"He was guilty before he got in front of that disciplinary panel because people have that perception of him.

"Being Leeds's bad boy is a by-product of what he does. Jamie Peacock plays the same role at the club but in a very different way. Because of the respect players have for JP, the reaction is that when he gets in trouble - as with his sin-binning against Bradford Bulls last week [for dissent] - you sense players feel it must just be JP getting frustrated.

"Bailey does what he does and they say it's his fault. There's no sympathy, no excuses. They don't blame anyone else."

The upsetting thing is Bailey is actually a very good player. He did not seem to have an problem when he started but after a year or two in the first team, and his holiday at her majesty's pleasure, he has turned into the k**bhead be all love to hate.

In the end Leeds have let him become the player he is. If they had stamped down on him early in his career he may have changed his ways. You feel if he was pushed he could become the player he should be but you feel that no Leeds coach has had the stomach to do it.

Bailey Isn't a bad player when he sticks to playing the game. But i don't recall peacock and morley etc smashing prone wingers after the hooter has sounded like bailey did to riley in the challenge cup final, the thing is i wasn't suprised when he did, loathsome character.

Classic Bailey. He does what he wants.