Tomkins
Briscoe
Reed
Cudjoe
Hall
Widdop
Brough
Mossop
Roby
Graham
Westwood
ellis (if fit)/Tickle
O'Loughlin

Crabtree
Hock
Houghton
Burgess

He made a few mistakes, as did quite a few players. In terms of defence he was the best player on the pitch.

Tomkins
Charnley
Reed
Cudjoe
Hall
Pryce
Brough
Graham
Roby
Burgess
Ellis
Hock
O'Loughlin

Peacock
Carvell
Westwood
Widdop

Widdop must play in the halves. He's doing brilliantly at Storm there, it's a no brainer for me.

Should be noiwhere near an England shirt he is IRISH.

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Jack Reed
4. Kallum Watkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Sam Burgess
12. Gareth Ellis
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. Gareth Hock
17. Ben Westwood

That pack is just devastating.

I honestly dont see why Peacock is still being mentioned so much.

As a wigan fan i rate Mossop higher, and as a neutral other teams props come across better, Carvell isnt in great form but I would sooner have him lol.

And Watkins defence seems to have been poor and I would have thought that against the aussies and NZ defence would be the first thing you look at really.

I agree with what ppl are saying about Roby though, without a pack being dominant 90% of the time I cant see him making that good a contribution. MM, Houghton are just two id look at.

Likewise I think Rob Burrow would only get a bench spot as a last twenty hooker to try and catch tired defence, but is that a sound tactic against international sides that are coming from a league that has "defence wins games" as a basic mantra?

Tickle seems to be having a cracker upto, and an extra goal kicker never hurts, especially in my eyes as Sinfield doesnt really have a spot by my thinking. Im not saying he isnt a great kicker or organiser, but he isnt a hooker, and the other positions he plays are filled with more suited player. I just dont think he would be that effective.

Lomax seems to have dipped this season for me, and a lot of the Saints younger players (Wheeler, Gaskell and the like) seem to have stunted or something, or is this just me? It would be great if they returned to form though as we could field such a young side full of promise to blood them for next year.

Charnley is a shoe in for me, his game was good last year, its only gotten better.

Im not sure about Danny Brough though. Not saying he isnt upto it, just that having played for Scotland then getting picked when his game improved is his heart really going to be in it? On the other hand, if not Brough who would ppl suggest?

So to be a bit more concise…….


Wigan players.

Basically, it's bias because he picked someone from the team he supports over someone from the team you support. The other way round would just be opinion, right?

We still get hammered when Aus have the ball in hand though up-front.

Maybe it would have been different in last years 4nations if Burgess and Lockers had played.

I see Nathan Browns having a pop at England picking 'foreign' players ie Rangi Chase... www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480 He says..'if something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck..its a duck!' meaning if you look and sound Kiwi or Aussie then you are probably not English!!..so why are they in England squad. I have to agree, I hate it when players are selected who are not English nationals, all kinds of qualification loopholes are explored to find talent we haven't produced oursleves these days, its really quite sad. Having said that I would draw Mr Browns attention to his own nations selection policy. Given the quality and number of homefrown aussies playing in the NRL why do they resort to picking non-aussie players to don the green and gold. For example look at the list below (there are others I could have listed too): Tonie Carroll-NZ Born Karmicheal Hunt-NZ Born Israel Falau-NZ( I think?) Petero Cinoniceva-Fijian Born Brad Thorn-NZ Born Hasem El Masri-Lebanon Born Take note Mr Brown...If they're born outside of Australia..they're probably not Australian!

I see Nathan Browns having a pop at England picking 'foreign' players ie Rangi Chase... www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480 He says..'if something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck..its a duck!' meaning if you look and sound Kiwi or Aussie then you are probably not English!!..so why are they in England squad. I have to agree, I hate it when players are selected who are not English nationals, all kinds of qualification loopholes are explored to find talent we haven't produced oursleves these days, its really quite sad. Having said that I would draw Mr Browns attention to his own nations selection policy. Given the quality and number of homefrown aussies playing in the NRL why do they resort to picking non-aussie players to don the green and gold. For example look at the list below (there are others I could have listed too): Tonie Carroll-NZ Born Karmicheal Hunt-NZ Born Israel Falau-NZ( I think?) Petero Cinoniceva-Fijian Born Brad Thorn-NZ Born Hasem El Masri-Lebanon Born Take note Mr Brown...If they're born outside of Australia..they're probably not Australian!

No. Its biased because he just picked a lot of players for his team, some of which are clearly biased.

I would go with that apart from having one of Sinfield, Burrow or Robinson off the bench to provide something different if we end up out of ideas in attack.

If you swapped Sinfield for Brough you could move Sinfield up to hooker Tomkins to S-O and stick an extra forward on the pitch for 10 or 15minutes, going with a big side for a little while and giving Roby a little rest.

in fact. Id be interested see

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Jack Reed
4. Kallum Watkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Kevin Sinfield
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Sam Burgess
12. Gareth Ellis
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. Gareth Hock
17. Ben Westwood

Start the game and
1. Kallum Watkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Jack Reed
4. Ben Westwood
5. Ryan Hall
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Sam Tomkins
8. James Graham
9. Kevin Sinfield
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Sam Burgess
12. Gareth Ellis
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Eorl Crabtree
16. Gareth Hock
17. James Roby

Start the second half. (though I probably wouldn’t pick that pack but certainly something similar)