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| Quote: WireFanatic III "Of course it was deliberate. You don't go out and "accidentally" eye gouge someone, do you......'"
How was Hock to know Harrison has eyes on the front of his face derr ?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Many people dont make the action Hock did when their fingers were around the eyes. He cant do what he did and expect the benefit of the doubt for his intent.
Im not sure he intended to eye gouge but equally im sure every movement he makes is knowing the hands are in the face and his fingers around the eyes. His responsibility is to not do what he did. The fact it may have been reckless as opposed to intentional isnt much of a defence. And to argue it was reckless rather than intentional is difficult when he goes on to swing at the same player.'"
Perfectly fair argument – we cannot be 100% sure that it was a deliberate gouge but he did pull at his face around the eyes and that in itself is dangerous and reckless (not to mention the punch that followed)
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Many people dont make the action Hock did when their fingers were around the eyes. He cant do what he did and expect the benefit of the doubt for his intent.
Im not sure he intended to eye gouge but equally im sure every movement he makes is knowing the hands are in the face and his fingers around the eyes. His responsibility is to not do what he did. The fact it may have been reckless as opposed to intentional isnt much of a defence. And to argue it was reckless rather than intentional is difficult when he goes on to swing at the same player.'"
I'm not defending him. I'm querying whether the gouge was deliberate |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "I'm not defending him. I'm querying whether the gouge was deliberate'"
And im trying to question how important that is. An accidental eye gouge is still an eye gouge. |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "How do you know it was intentional?
If it was he deserves a legnthy ban but it all comes down to whether he did it deliberately.'"
Of course it was deliberate, if it was accidental do you think the following punch would have happened??? |
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| Quote: hullbg "Of course it was deliberate, if it was accidental do you think the following punch would have happened???'"
Yes because Harrison elbowed him |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "I'm not defending him. I'm querying whether the gouge was deliberate'"
Query all you like but I think most people think it was, including most of the Cherry and White lot which is a minor miracle. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "And im trying to question how important that is. An accidental eye gouge is still an eye gouge.'"
It is. But he doesn't deserve all this stick if it was accidental. I'm not 100% sure but that's my opinion |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "Yes because Harrison elbowed him'" If someone gouged me during a game a swift elbow would be the least of what I'd do. |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "It is. But he doesn't deserve all this stick if it was accidental. I'm not 100% sure but that's my opinion'"
As I said , how was Hock to know Harrison has eyes on the front of his head ? |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "It is. But he doesn't deserve all this stick if it was accidental. I'm not 100% sure but that's my opinion'"
No, he deserves every bit of it for being reckless in such a position. That is still a disgusting offence. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "No, he deserves every bit of it for being reckless in such a position. That is still a disgusting offence.'"
But he doesn't deserve as much stick if it's not deliberate |
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| Quote: No1 Saint "If someone gouged me during a game a swift elbow would be the least of what I'd do.'"
Same for me. Hock had no right to punch him either. |
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| Quote: justarugbyfan "But he doesn't deserve as much stick if it's not deliberate'"
Yes he does. Reckless isnt blameless. Especially in the situation Hock found himself in.
Reckless isnt accidental. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Yes he does. Reckless isnt blameless. Especially in the situation Hock found himself in.
Reckless isnt accidental.'"
The significant difference is that reckless should get a ban (I would suggest 4 or 5 matches) whereas a deliberate eye gouge for me should see him banned for a hell of a lot longer |
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