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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Because one side pays their money, the other is paid their money.
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So because you pay your money you have the right to use foul and abusive language and/or gestures? However, if you are being paid then you have to accept foul and abusive language and/or gestures? Absolute rubbish always makes me laugh when those dishing it out get a bit back nad then go crying to the stewards/police/mummy/internet forum. If people are seriously offended by what Tomkins did and find it a disgrace then I suggest that they stop going to rugby games as it must be a very traumatic experience.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Because one side pays their money, the other is paid their money.
Tomkins would do well to remember he is a paid representative of the game, and his behaviour will be judged so. If Tomkins cant behave in a way befitting a professional player he will be punished for his transgressions (though in proportion to his offence, 1 game and £500 is probably about right in this case)'"
I agree, the punishment should fit the crime. It's just whether any punishment is forth coming.
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| Quote: J.T "So because you pay your money you have the right to use foul and abusive language and/or gestures? '" Within reason, pretty much. Quote: J.T "However, if you are being paid then you have to accept foul and abusive language and/or gestures?'" No, you dont have to accept it. You just arent allowed to behave in a way which makes the game look bad. Its part of your contract. Quote: J.T "Absolute rubbish always makes me laugh when those dishing it out get a bit back nad then go crying to the stewards/police/mummy/internet forum. If people are seriously offended by what Tomkins did and find it a disgrace then I suggest that they stop going to rugby games as it must be a very traumatic experience.'" I dont find it a disgrace. Tomkins made himself look stupid. He looked like a petulant baby hiding behind someone else and sneaking a V up. Its something most people grow out of when they are about 8 years old. A 1match ban and £500 fine would probably be a fair punishment for his behaviour. Im not sure we should be involving the police or mummy (especially as its Sunday, she should have a roast on the go)
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| It is for how it has made our game look to the casual viewers on the BBC that he should have the book thrown at him. The RFL play heavily on the family game aspect for TV rights, sponsorship etc and he has damaged that.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Within reason, pretty much. No, you dont have to accept it. You just arent allowed to behave in a way which makes the game look bad. Its part of your contract. I dont find it a disgrace. Tomkins made himself look stupid. He looked like a petulant baby hiding behind someone else and sneaking a V up. Its something most people grow out of when they are about 8 years old. A 1match ban and £500 fine would probably be a fair punishment for his behaviour. Im not sure we should be involving the police or mummy (especially as its Sunday, she should have a roast on the go)'"
I can think of plenty of things that make the game look far worse than a player sticking 2 fingers up at opposition supporters. Looked like he was just giving a little bit back so the 'petulant baby' stuff is an ott response to a bit of banter.
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| Quote: mark_m "It is for how it has made our game look to the casual viewers on the BBC that he should have the book thrown at him. The RFL play heavily on the family game aspect for TV rights, sponsorship etc and he has damaged that.'"
The family game of drug cheats, those that smash women in the face, glass people, use racist language so on and so forth yeah sticking 2 fingers up is really going to ruin that nice clean family image we have!
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| Quote: J.T "I can think of plenty of things that make the game look far worse than a player sticking 2 fingers up at opposition supporters. Looked like he was just giving a little bit back so the 'petulant baby' stuff is an ott response to a bit of banter.'"
You cant have it both ways. Either it was banter and Tomkins should be professional enough to rise above it or it was foul and abusive language and gestures and Tomkins was giving it back.
Tomkins was stupid. Its not a massive deal, but it was silly.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You cant have it both ways. Either it was banter and Tomkins should be professional enough to rise above it or it was foul and abusive language and gestures and Tomkins was giving it back.
Tomkins was stupid. Its not a massive deal, but it was silly.'"
Whether it was banter or abusive it was tit for tat I think folk need to grow up about it. The only reason folk are so bothered is because it is Tomkins simple as that
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| It's bringing the game, the player and his club into disrepute.
Abuse from opposition fans is part and parcel of any sport. It's a sad state of affairs, but that's the world we live in.
However, a professional sportsman is supposed to behave to certain standards while on the pitch. Tomkins doesn't and as such gets possibly more abuse than he deserves.
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| Quote: J.T "Whether it was banter or abusive it was tit for tat I think folk need to grow up about it. The only reason folk are so bothered is because it is Tomkins simple as that'"
The only person who has growing up to do in this is Tomkins himself.
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| Vomkins could have nipped the situation in the bud, by quickly giving a straight forward apology if he offended anyone. Instead he has added more fuel to the fire by more or less denying the occasion happened, hence the enquiry by the RFL, the guy is an epitome of A Wigoon.
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| Maybe it was an involuntary movement of his finger joints. He could have a DIFJM (Degenerative Involuntary Finger Joint Movement). Harvey Smith had it and so too did Winston Churchill. Let's not castigate the lad until the medical profession has had a chance to help him.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Within reason, pretty much. No, you dont have to accept it. You just arent allowed to behave in a way which makes the game look bad. Its part of your contract. I dont find it a disgrace. Tomkins made himself look stupid. He looked like a petulant baby hiding behind someone else and sneaking a V up. Its something most people grow out of when they are about 8 years old. A 1match ban and £500 fine would probably be a fair punishment for his behaviour. Im not sure we should be involving the police or mummy (especially as its Sunday, she should have a roast on the go)'"
In between cooking the sunday roast, suggest tompkins mummy would be better employed smacking his legs for being such a rude, little boy.
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| Quote: J.T "The only reason folk are so bothered is because it is Tomkins simple as that'"
Because there would be no thread at all if it was Graham / Briers / Bailey etc?
Take your victim t-shirt off.
He's been a plonker, if Wigan deal with it the RFL won't need to. Simple.
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Winston Churchill bringing politics into disrepute.
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