Indeed it is a p1ss poor argument. Which is what i was trying to highlight to you, and how p1ss poor it still was when you attributed it to Crusaders.

And again, you only seem to be able to rely on attributing things to me which arent correct. There is no reason in your argument, simply speculation and circumstantial reasoning



It doesnt look like I have anywhere near enough to know whether or not it was making a profit or a loss, and if so whether the profit/loss was higher or lower than their previous profit/loss (which we dont know) including previous debt servicing(which we dont know)

All it proves is never take financial advice from an engineer.

In the table where you have made up the figures it probably does.
And im sure, like most leases, that notice has provision for them to be able to find alternative arrangements. It would pretty shoddy to sign a long term lease with a very short notice period. Especially when you are taking the lease for yourself to help in your division of assets because you know you are about to sell the freehold In which case wouldnt the club be adequately recompensed and able to find a new home. Doesnt this apply to every club with a lease and not the freehold on their stadium So theoretically the community trust could sell the freehold as a development opportunity and give notice on Wakefields lease. Sounds fairly familiar WSV own the racecourse ground and crusaders have a lease in place and WSV are not interested in kicking them out.

Your arguments are circumstancial, biased, and frankly pretty silly.

Once again it is you who showing most bias, against Wakefield!

Why have Wakefield failed massively in Super League? Firstly, take this season out, they had players sold off by the administrator and their best players cherry picked by some vulture clubs and why spend any large amounts of money now, not knowing your future. Still they are not bottom and without a deduction would be on the same points as Hull KR and Hull. They won the Academy Grand Final in 09 (crap junior structures eh!!!) and finished in 5th in the same year, they have never finished bottom of SL, never been relegated and have an average league SL position of 8th over their whole SL history! They also have arguably the best community programme in SL.

But they have failed... bloody hell, so what is your opinion on Salford????

I am going to stop now, mainly because you don't need my help any longer to make you look a numpty!

There are some belting statements above, but it is this one that made me laugh most "So theoretically the community trust could sell the freehold as a development opportunity and give notice on Wakefields lease". Yes, theoretically true, but given that the development around it is paying for it in the first place and the current and possible future make-up of the board of directors this is your must stupid statement yet!

I am not biased, pathetic or prejudice mate... have a look in the mirror!

Right, tea time and then Odsal to see if we can beat the Bulls... I am not living in hope... a bit like you losing that chip on your shoulder!

yeah, they are the reasons. A mediocre club at best, a very poor one at worst.

if you wish. But it is you who wants Crusaders to fail because Wakefield have failed. If they were a success, then Crusaders wouldnt be an issue, as they arent for Leeds, Hull, Wigan, Warrington, St Helens, Catalans, Huddersfield, Bradford, etc. The only reason you want Crusaders is because Wakefield have put themselves into a position where they are struggling to deserve a place in SL, you hope their failure covers for Wakefields failures and it is pathetic.

Sure Wakefield have relied heavily on imports, the difference in Wakefield’s case was, in order to stay in the competition year after year, with the threat of relegation, year after year, they had to perform on the field, simple.

To say the club has failed, well, how do you compare success?




Wakefield’s collapse, as you put it, has happened once, the Welsh experiment is on its second, with maybe another one in the pipeline.

As for your theory on the District, that’s just a red herring, one of your pet hates.

guys, as i have learnt recently your effectively ing in the wind when debating with smokey. life is much more serene when you embrace the 'Ignore' function

According to the Crusaders accounts they have not paid any rent for the use of the Racecourse ground.

If there is a new owner of the ground and they do honour the lease agreement then Crusaders will not be allowed to use it without paying for it and that makes them even less financially viable.

Smokey, fans can talk about eras of dominance by certain clubs, we've had Sts in the naughties, before them Bradford, Sts again, Wigan, Widnes then lo and behold in the 60s it was Wakefield.

To say Wakefield has over 100 years of folly is a ridiculous comment.

Ineed it is, one of his worse comments ever, and thats saying something!

Yet other clubs havent.

trophies, finals, attendances, players brought through. Measures of success.


Crusaders have collapsed once. Not twice, once.

explain the difference. Explain how the collapse of Crusaders vindicates those who say there isnt the strength for a team in Wales, but the collapse of Wakefield doesnt vindicate those who say there isnt the strength for two teams in WMDC.

Crusaders havent filed any accounts in this guise, they are a couple of months old.
a modicum of success in the 60's in a semi-pro game does not guarantee the club can still compete 50 years in a fully pro game. Some seem to have spent their lives battling against it but the game has moved on.

To dismiss the hardwork and successes that have happened in Wales of the last few years as a folly is equally ridiculous. The Game in Wales has never been stronger.

1959-60 League Championship runners up
1959-60 Challenge Cup Winners
1960-61 Yorkshire Cup Winners
1961-62 Challenge Cup Winners
1961-62 Championship Final runners up
1961-62 Yorkshire Cup Winners
1961-62 Yorkshire League Winners
1962 invited to Tour South Africa & went unbeaten (6 games)
1963 Challenge Cup Winners
1966-67 League Champions
1967-68 League Champions
1967-68 Challenge Cup Runners up (watersplash, robbed)

This era also included numerous wins versus the Touring Kangaroos & Kiwis
Wakefield Trinity players making up the backbone of Great Britain Team & Touring sides
Wakefield Trinity officials managing full tours during a period when Great Britain were the best international team in the world.
We produced the world record points scorer in Neil Fox (6,220 unadjusted)

And to top it off we were the subject of probably THE BEST ever sports related movie

Modicum of success!

You are a buffoon!



I hav'nt dismissed anyone, that's something you made up to support your ridiculous argument.

If you want to pretend thats dominance fine, Ive no interest in trying to correct you. However it doesnt address the main point which you have tried to avoid which is it was 50 years ago, in a semi-pro game. It bears no relevance to this fully pro game.

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