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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Well that is another side to the argument and one which I hadn't previously considered. Yes, if the elimination of a monetary cap resulted in young players choosing RL over another sport that could be a positive.

My argument was solely considering the lads who play RL and will probably only play RL. In which case I'm not convinced that say Leeds wouldn't be able to use their cash resources to entice the best young players in West Yorkshire with the promise of higher salaries both immediately and in SL. Of course these players would then "cost" Leeds the same points as the "lesser" players that Wakey/Cas would bring through, being the ones left after Leeds had cherry picked the best.

I'm not saying it would happen, just that it could and the history of RL has shown if a club can "buy" an advantage, then they will regardless of the long term consequences for the game.'"
this will happen. I have no doubt about it, clubs will be forced to scout from all areas (which to a degree they do now) and that will mean overlap and it will mean competition. This isnt a bad thing, it will force us to look in places we havent looked at before, look in new geographical areas, get scouts down at athletics meets looking at the sprinters, get them in gyms looking at wrestlers and boxers.
These things are good for the sport.

and as i said the wage difference is going to be miniscule, our young players dont get paid enough to make a real difference

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Quote: SmokeyTA "it would indeed, at that always would and will be the case. I dont mind them being given 4 or 5 years to see that benefit, what i object to is them being allowed to buy loads in overseas players and pay lots of money to them so they can finish ahead of other SL teams who are investing in youth, and giving them the chance in the first team. Harlequins for example have spent the last 3 or 4 years pretty much struggling because of the investment they have made in the youngsters which is only now even beginning to show any benefit, Hull KR meanwhile have brought through next to no youngsters, have lots and lots of overseas players and seen the play-offs. I dont think that is really 'fair'.'"


Hull KR have conformed, at all times, with the requirements regarding players as set out by the RFL and been able to contribute to the health of the competition by fielding (for the most part) a strong team. Why do you have a problem with that?

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Hull KR have conformed, at all times, with the requirements regarding players as set out by the RFL and been able to contribute to the health of the competition by fielding (for the most part) a strong team. Why do you have a problem with that?'"
If you want to take a naive view of the situation thats your choice.

we both know that Hull KRs return in regards to youth development is because they have prioritised their first team, where they needed to receive dispensation for overseas players, over youth development.
The reasons for this isnt the issue.

The point I am making is it is very much less than ideal for clubs who have invested in youth development to lose out because of that.

Under this system a club like Hull KR would be behind the 8 ball in terms of recruitment in comparison to a club like Quins until the youth development was of a similar level.

Where is the incentive to make these long term and possibly unpopular with the home support, but never the less integral, investments in developing more youngsters if your success isnt dependent on it?

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I dont agree with Smokey about this but that point is true.
Its a fact that all the best SL teams are big homegrown/British core with 4 or 5 top class imports. You cant buy a team of aussies and get anywhere near realistically challenging.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "If you want to take a naive view of the situation thats your choice.

we both know that Hull KRs return in regards to youth development is because they have prioritised their first team, where they needed to receive dispensation for overseas players, over youth development.
The reasons for this isnt the issue.

The point I am making is it is very much less than ideal for clubs who have invested in youth development to lose out because of that.

Under this system a club like Hull KR would be behind the 8 ball in terms of recruitment in comparison to a club like Quins until the youth development was of a similar level.

Where is the incentive to make these long term and possibly unpopular with the home support, but never the less integral, investments in developing more youngsters if your success isnt dependent on it?'"


But that is the point of the reducing quota and increasing home grown requirement and the consequence of franchise applications being awarded on a range of criteria.

It is ludicrous to criticise one club for taking one strategy (while conforming to all the RFL requirements) and praise another for taking a different strategy (while conforming to all the RFL requirements).

Hull KR could have taken a different approach (promoting youngsters not ready or not good enough) which would have been cheaper. That would have made the financial side of the next bid stronger at the same time weakening the on field contribution, it's all swings and roundabouts. And the point you are completley missing here is that with a range of different criteria highlighting the importance of different areas of the business it is not surprising at all that at different times different clubs will have different priorities.

The real test of whether Hull KR have got the balance right will be if the get awarded another franchise.

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But when teams start applying for exemptions its a joke imo.
Anyway I laid out my stall:
Maximum 5 OVERSEAS (not all these stupid exemptions) players.
10%ish decrease on current cap for homegrown players.
10% increase on current cap for overseas players.
Gradual increase in cap after 2012.

Best way to go, you know it. I know it. My dog even knows it.

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "But that is the point of the reducing quota and increasing home grown requirement and the consequence of franchise applications being awarded on a range of criteria.

It is ludicrous to criticise one club for taking one strategy (while conforming to all the RFL requirements) and praise another for taking a different strategy (while conforming to all the RFL requirements).'"
No it isnt. We should be praising teams for making that investment in the long term stability of the sport, We should be praising them when the give a shot to youngsters, we should be praising them for putting the structures in place to give the best chance to the youngsters of their area, and we should criticise them when they dont, we should criticise them when they hide behind overseas players, exemptions and dispensations to cover up for the fact they havent invested in youth.


Quote: Barnacle Bill "
Hull KR could have taken a different approach (promoting youngsters not ready or not good enough) which would have been cheaper. That would have made the financial side of the next bid stronger at the same time weakening the on field contribution, it's all swings and roundabouts. And the point you are completley missing here is that with a range of different criteria highlighting the importance of different areas of the business it is not surprising at all that at different times different clubs will have different priorities.'"
They will have different priorities, they always will. But after 100 years to not have a decent youth policy already in place is embarrassing. We should make youth development a higher priority, force it to be a higher priority for all clubs

Quote: Barnacle Bill "The real test of whether Hull KR have got the balance right will be if the get awarded another franchise.'"
thats fairly unambitious, at some point as a sport we are going to need to move on from our ambition being just to survive to improving and growing

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