Ive no idea because according to the BIG club fans the sport is weaker and less aggressive now.

Can't we have a debate on the VT without the massive chips on Cas and Wakey fans shoulders taking over?

The "my club your club" talk always makes me cringe

It would be nice to have a debate about the qualifications for the eights, rather than a total thread drift.

B.T.W. Not all Wakey fans have chips on their shoulders, same as, not all Wakey fans are like some other Wakey fans!

Too many games in a season - including two ridiculously congested periods - and a failure to manage the evolution of how the game is played.

LOL I'm surprised it took you that long since it's the only thing you can bring to a debate.

It's very odd that some Wakefield and Cas fans seem to take it as a personal insult to them if you say the standard of SL is going down across the board. I'm honestly not sure what they take offence at?

Im a cas fan and agree the standard has dropped, as I have said that's more to do with the top clubs failing to maintain there own playing standards rather than super league as a whole.

So when did the decline begin?

Hardly as you should be able to see above from a previous post actually on topic. All this chip on the shoulder stuff really is as tedious as when Eddie Hemings constantly drones on about injuries during a match.

Too many games is a reason but also some teams whether this year or previous have had big injury lists within 4/5 weeks of the season starting so can't all be down to number of games played.

About the same time other clubs started to threaten the Leeds/Wigan and Saints dominance - it's a handy way to deflect the fact that your particular team isn't as good as it used to be.

Just wait until its a 123 with the above teams and all will be well again.

Just read Smokey TA post (any of them) and you'll see the mentality.

Which year did Huddersfield finish top again?

I didn't say it was all down to that; I also said that the game has been allowed to evolve in such a way that in my view, makes player injuries more likely.

There could also be an issue for some clubs in terms of how they train, and what conditioning/rehab they have in place - but I'm not party to what goes on behind closed doors, so I can't comment on that, apart from to speculate, which doesn't seem helpful.

Medical teams and diagnosis in general is also a lot better now as well as the care of players is now far greater than it was 10 years ago.