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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "I know Roby used to come on at 13 occasionally so both he and Cunningham could be on the pitch at the same time but I really don't know what that would acheive now. His speciality is running from dummy half on the back of a quick play the ball, you wouldn't get that from him if he was playing at 13, plus you'd have to sacrifice a specialist loose to accomodate him! Terrible idea IMO.'"
You don't get a QPTB against the aussies. Roby to 13 with a 'clever' hooker might be a good shout in terms of tactics.
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| Quote: A unknown superstar "Obviously I'm biased but Briscoe has proven that he can do alot more than just scored tries and some brilliant ones at that. Charnley although he's a very good winger and one of the best English wingers around is fortunate to be playing for easily the best team in the comp were alot of his tries are handed to him. Which he mentioned himself on the Super League show the other night. Can't recall seeing him break a tackle and go the full length of the pitch or anything of note.
Like I said I'm obviously going to be bias but for me Hall and Briscoe are the two best wingers for England at the minute, followed by Charnley.'"
Where has this theory come from that wingers have to go the full length to be good?
A good winger imo is one that can defend his corner well when asked too and is in the position to score tries should the ball come to him. Yes some of Josh's tries have been 'put on a plate' but a lot of them have taken some scoring, be it outpacing his opposite number, grounding the ball from a kick or squeezing his way over ala Ryan Hall. They haven't been Ade Gardner-esque 'catch and put down' tries.
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| Quote: Conroy "Where has this theory come from that wingers have to go the full length to be good?
A good winger imo is one that can defend his corner well when asked too and is in the position to score tries should the ball come to him. Yes some of Josh's tries have been 'put on a plate' but a lot of them have taken some scoring, be it outpacing his opposite number, grounding the ball from a kick or squeezing his way over ala Ryan Hall. They haven't been Ade Gardner-esque 'catch and put down' tries.'"
Agreed for me it's hall + 1 for England and that one in my opinion should be charnley
Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Reed
Hall
Widdop
??? Lomas
Graham
Roby
Mossop
Hock
Westwood
Burgess
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| Quote: rhinos21 "Agreed for me it's hall + 1 for England and that one in my opinion should be charnley
Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Reed
Hall
Widdop
??? Lomas
Graham
Roby
Mossop
Hock
Westwood
Burgess'"
I'd have Brough over LomaX, and Ellis in the back row somewhere.
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| Quote: Beverley red "I would love that every 4/5 years the same as union do, I would add the rider that players would only be chosen from players who qualify by playing for the home nations, that would allow for players who opt for Scotland Ireland & Wales instead of England getting the lions share, I would also consider the French players to be included.'"
So many things wrong with this post I don't know where to begin!
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "I'd have Brough over LomaX, and Ellis in the back row somewhere.'"
Forgot to do the bench, would have ellis, 2 props + an impact player
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| Can someone give me an actual decent reason why we should dump the home nations for GB? The name and kit don't seem to counter the obvious benefits that playing as the home nations has, and "tradition" can easily be countered with the fact we were England well before we were GB in this sport.
A GB tour would be nice, but only for nostalgic reasons, not for any actual benefits.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "
A GB tour would be nice, but only for nostalgic reasons, not for any actual benefits.'"
And we'd still lose.
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| Lomax will have to improve considerably to start in the halves for England in the WC.
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| Quote: Hillsborough Lad "And we'd still lose.'"
We'd be the EXACT same team. So most likely, yeah.
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| Arguably the best back rower in the world barring Thaiday, and you'd have him on the bench. He's not exactly an impact player. I'd having himstarting with Hock.
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| Quote: A unknown superstar "Arguably the best back rower in the world barring Thaiday, and you'd have him on the bench. He's not exactly an impact player. I'd having himstarting with Hock.'"
To be fair, based on test performances it's arguable that he's not even the best English backrower nevermiind the best in the world.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Can someone give me an actual decent reason why we should dump the home nations for GB? The name and kit don't seem to counter the obvious benefits that playing as the home nations has'"
What benefits? Playing as the home nations is doing nothing but weakening Scotland, Wales and Ireland. The best players will always opt for England whereas in the past they could play for their home nation in World Cups and other comps with the possibility of still qualifying for GB tours. Conversely, should a top player decide he wants to stick with his home nation then England (as the only home nation in with a chance of winning a few games) miss out.
And I know about the 'Sport England' funding.
Quote: Wellsy13 "and "tradition" can easily be countered with the fact we were England well before we were GB in this sport.'"
Name me some memorable England RL moments.
For GB I can name the Rorke's Drift Test 1914, the Battle of Brisbane 1952 (Alan Prescott was a friend of my parents), a few World Cups, Sydney 1988, Wembley 1990, Old Trafford 1990, Melbourne 1992, Wembley 1994, Sydney 2006 - Hampo getting sent off against NZ, Schofield's tries in '82, Lydon sliding in at Old Trafford, Edwards' sending off, Barrie Mc's 30 second appearance before being binned at OT - I'm sure there are far more but I'm thinking from memory.
Quote: Wellsy13 "A GB tour would be nice, but only for nostalgic reasons, not for any actual benefits.'"
GB stirs far more than nostalgia. I, and many others, simply can't get as passionate about England RL, whereas Great Britain (and yes, the iconic kit) stirs far more. For me, England RL is just too forced and has no true RL identity.
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| I don't see why we can't compete as the home nations for things like World Cups and some smaller home nations comps but compete as GB for an Ashes or Kiwi series without jeopardising Sport England funding.
I'd like to see something like -
Year 1 - 5 Nations (Northern Hemisphere - England, Australia, NZ, France & Wales)
Year 2 - Ashes Series alternating between here & Oz. 3 game series as GB
Year 3 - 5 Nations (Southern Hemisphere - England, Australia, NZ, PNG & Samoa or best of the others)
Year 4 - Kiwi Series alternating between here & NZ. 3 game series as GB.
Year 5 - World Cup
I know most go on a 4 year cycle but I don't see why we can't have a 5 year cycle. It gives whoever is staging it more time to prepare a decent World Cup.
I'd also have a yearly mid-season comp of Yorkshire, Lancashire & the winners of Wales v France.
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| Tbf I'd take more note of how he's regarded in the NRL week in week out rather than the odd games he's plays for England each season. The only thing against him this season when considering him playing for England is he's missed alot due to injury. Hocks a great player but he isn't as good as Ellis. Saying that, the both of them are quite abit ahead of the next best English backrower imo.
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