They don't need any 'incentive to get their act together'. Do you think lower clubs don't want to be successful, and that they would be happy being year after year unless there was a threat of relegation? It's just a stupid, stupid argument from people who haven't thought about what they are posting.

There are no clubs outside of SL capable of attracting 8000 fans and revenues of 3mill. End of P&R argument.

Promotion and relegation would give the lower clubs a reason to not throw the towel in after when 2 scores down in match with 50 mins to go and also not to "mail it in" when the half way point of the season comes around and they are struggling it would also make matches between teams like London and Cas or Widnes and Wakefield no offence to their fans but these games would be more exciting if these teams had somthing to fight for rather than knowing they can fold like a pack of cards and come back next year and the same happens on a year in year out basis under the licensing system

On that basis who will be left in SL, I assume you are taking personal investment from that £3m. Goodbye Salford, Wakey, Cas, London, HKR, Widnes, Huddersfield, Bradford. Great fixture list between Hull, Leeds, Saints, Wire, Cats and Wigan. That knocks my 2 tens out the water.

Interesting point - Leigh will turn over £8-900k this year, add in £1.3m Sky, a conservative £500k more from gates and the gap isn't great to £3m for sponsorship etc. Thats why nearer £4m is needed to compete.

Do you propose they play each other six times?

Only thing i can see helping keep interest is make SL 8 teams.

The other 6 join the top 6 of the current championship and allow them the same rules that SL currently have, if they run themselves in to the ground gambling they might get in to SL then that's their problem and they only have themselves to blame.

Just play within your means but at least you may get promotion, and if a rich benefactor comes in great, spend to cap.

Import restrictions to 3 players for everyone.

As I have already argued, the games would not be more exciting, if anything they would be less so.

Which teams throw the towel in when two scores behind? Do you have any specific examples of any teams putting in less than 100% effort at any time due to a lack of promotion and relegation, or is this just another poorly-thought out argument based on inaccurate assumptions like the majority of those supporting P&R in this thread?

And what about the three clubs in SL that also match this incapability?

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Playoffs for promotion should e the way to go for RL, at least you know you're ready if you're not getting dicked by the bottom club.

Similar in style to those denying the Holocaust ever existed.
RU, Soccer, Cricket and RL are the nations 4 team sports - all bar one has P&R. Hockey, Basketball, Baseball, Netball, Shinty, Rounders, Womens beach volleyball, Dwarf throwing etc are smokescreens.
Intimating Soccer has only recently in its history embraced P&R is laughable, RU as a 'league' sport is still fairly new but embraces the principals of P&R.
You can't beat a good wind up, I assume this is what it is?

The 1st year of Super league 2006 Leeds finished 10th in the league only above Paris and Workington. Halifax finshed 6th,

only 2 years later in 2008 Leeds finsihed 2nd, and Fax in 3rd!

Since then alot has gone on, Leeds are now the best club in the world and challenge for honours every year.

now call me old fashioned if you like but these rises and falls from grace is what makes 'sport' in general, it is why we pay our money and buy our seasons tickets.

the sport of rugby league was not broken, so why try to fix it with a franchise system which clearly doesnt work, and from my view forces clubs to mislead fans and lie to the governing body.

we need the ups and downs (promotion and relegation) to keep the heart of rugby league beating below super league. Otherwise we may aswell just not bother.

Why should original founder clubs steeped in RL history such as Fax, Fev, Leigh and the rest not get a chance to play in the top league.

At the minute these championship clubs dont get 8000 fans, and dont turn over £3 million. but neither would most super league clubs if they swapped places.

the championship is a great league but should not be treat as a feeder league for super league.

investment and growth below super league will continue to decline until P&R is reinstalled. Then thoses fans that sometimes go/sometimes dont may just attend more often.

this is surely what it is all about?!

Quite unnecessary.

because whilst one of those 4 clubs went from strength to strength one of them is gone, and 2 of them very nearly did.

or you play to win the league you're in
because they can't compete and P&R makes it harder for them to do so for any more than a year

More fans are watching now, surely thats what it is all about, more fans as whole watching the game? and the championships are a feeder league, thats how a pyramid works.

but true.

The acid test will come at the next round of franchise/licence procedures. One championship team has been guaranteed a SL spot if they meet the franchise criteria which will mean one current Sl team will be demoted. This would have happened last time and Wakefield would have been removed if Crusaders did not withdraw. In hindsght this would have been a mistake. Who will go this time. I can see law suits, protests in Parliament, TV denunciations from the current self satisfied member of the club which finds itself unceremoniously booted. One thing I know, it wll be interesting.