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| Quote littlerich="littlerich"Diddums. So, to summarize please list who you think is to blame for the failure of Crusaders. I'll start and finish your list, you just fill in the rest.
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Away you go with all your bollax . . . .'"
Richard , you are missing the primary point here
The Crusaders didn't fail , it was a success 
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"No, id be happy to see them in the championships if the rules were fair and allowed them to compete on a level playing field. Unfortunately doing that would mean removing/changing a fair few rules which actually benefit the heartland clubs.
Im happy to leave the decision over whether we remove/change the rules to allow a level playing field or whether we simply apply them to Crusaders (and any other club in a similar position) to the heartland clubs.'"
So which are these rules that would need changing to have a level playing field ? , I await with bated breath the words of Chairman Smokey
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Richard , you are missing the primary point here
The Crusaders didn't fail , it was a success
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I feel for Smokey. He's scratching around for a new interpretation on events and his favourite channel of argument - facts. He's blowing though. He'd have more success setting up holiday apartments in Chernobyl. He won't actually have the courage to accept that he was wrong about Crusaders or indeed accept what HAS happened to Crusaders, instead lashing out at the people he really thinks are to blame - mainly (and strangely) insignificant people posting on a message board. He's a certifiable loon.
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| Starbug and Richie post here mostly because a) they love the game of Rugby League and b) because they have (like myself for Fax, and equally for a number of Crusaders fans) have a close affinity and passion for their local team.
The Hull supporters at the Crusaders game obviously related to the local support for the home team. This is what sport is all about, and I still hold in my mind a comment from a Widnes fan in the Fax debacle season of 2003... "Good luck" is all he said to me (relegation was confirmed that day), and I've held that thought (and hope) ever since.
The tripe and garbage spouted on this forum is pathetic (and not from the above-named).
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"As I put earlier , I am happy for them to receive extra financial assistance from the RFL as long as they don't profit from it ON field , so assistance to help them establish themselves as a business , as for quotas I would suggest they were allowed extra Dual Registration and loan players for a set period , given that there are going to be 5 SL clubs within a 40 minute drive of Wrexham , I don't really see why they would need to employ expensive overseas players
It would seem you think they are doomed to failure unless they are allowed to break all the rules of the sport , if that is the case then they aren't worth having'"
But that is obviously impossible. It is so obviously impossible it is embarrassing. How, in reality, can they receive extra financial assistance and it not benefit them on the field? If they receive financial help that they use on marketing or on youth development then that is money they would have had to spend on marketing or youth development that they no longer have to that they can now spend 'on the field'. Which you have just stated you dont want them to.
You also want to insist that they play by exactly the same rules but then want to allow them extra dual reg players, which of course precludes them playing by the rules.
And by doing these things which you want them to do, you also want them to be precluded from moving forward.
I also dont see why they would need to employ expensive overseas players, im not sure anyone but you has mentioned it.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Cant you read?'"
There are times when trawling through your 10000's of posts I wish I couldn't!
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Cant you read?'"
Perfectly thanks , but understanding the point you are trying to make is getting increasingly more difficult , even for yourself as well it would seem
By the way , I asked you about the rules that needed changing to give any new Crusader club a fair deal , i'm still waiting for that one ?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"But that is =#FF0000obviously impossible. It is so obviously impossible it is embarrassing. =#FF0000How, in reality, can they receive extra financial assistance and it not benefit them on the field? =#8040BFIf they receive financial help that they use on marketing or on youth development then that is money they would have had to spend on marketing or youth development that they no longer have to that they can now spend 'on the field'. Which you have just stated you dont want them to..'"
Which bit ?
Simple , by being excempt from promotion out of Championship 1
Can you actually re phrase this one so that normal human beings can understand it ?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"You also want to insist that they play by exactly the same rules but then want to =#FF0000allow them extra dual reg players, which of course precludes them playing by the rules.And by doing these things which you want them to do, you also want them to be precluded from =#FF0000moving forward.=#4000FFI also dont see why they would need to employ expensive overseas players, im not sure anyone but you has mentioned it.'"
The dual reg issue is as an alternative to any extra quota places , which you knew , but chose to ignore
Can you quantify ' Moving forward ' in this situation ?
See the Quota explanation
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Cant you read?'"
Can't you spell?
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| Quote Guerrier="Guerrier"Can't you spell?'"
Cant you tell the difference between spelling and punctuation and grammar?
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