so there for shouldnt be allowed to play for Aus again its a joke that side of the world the way they can chop and change between countrys. And not a chance England and Austrailia will be the big 2 in the 2013 world cup i think our young players are just as good as yours you have us in the backs no doubt but our pack would all over yours.

Macarthy Scarsbrook
Roby
Graham
S. Burgess
Clubb
Westerman

Then on the bench you have the likes of

L. Burgess Clough Hargreaves Prescott

WTF??

Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to play for the Island nations?
They are Australian Nationals.
The World Cup wont look to good in 2013 if Australians don't pad out the smaller teams.
I hope they change the rule so that when a choice is made its final either way.
As far as the forwards go I heard all this last October about the Kiwis and Oz forwards would be dominated big time by Englands power pack.
It didn't really work out anything like that in reality though did it?
Some of the unproven names at Test level you mention have a long way to go before they are better than Morley and Peacock in their prime and they won how many series against Oz?
I really hope England do go up a couple of gears the game has needed it for the last 30 years.
Things go in cycles maybe you will be right.

Oh no....he is right....Englands pack of forwards will have it all over Australia.


We never recovered once Steve Roach retired.....

Not bad for a player who according to his coach could not defend!!!

Either the coach's opinion was flawed or Ellis has suddenly learned everything in six months!!!!

So our whitewash of the Kiwis was a fluke? We're considerably better than any team bar Oz and Kiwis. Despite our best efforts to lose to the Kumuls in the WC. We'll be much better in the four nations but no doubt behind the Kangapoos once more.

all these young up an comming pommy players are going to give it too us

Put the Kiwi forwards with the Aussie backs and you have one hell of a side - the hookers apart - Aussies don't have any real star forwards

They don't need to, they have proper halfbacks who can really control games so don't need a "creative" loose forward, they also have quality centres who can make the most of the ball they get. Our halfbacks tend to be one trick ponies, Pryce would probably make something close to a genuine international centre if he tried but his feint and side step do nothing at the highest level, McGuire's fine with his speed and support play but ropey in defence, not a particularly great tactical kicker and isn't going to create a lot against an Aussie side, Burrow is a bit of a novelty with his scampering runs taking advantage of poor lateral movement in the big men, but then he gets his arris handed to him on a plate by Stan the Man and some kid from the NRL reserve grade when England played PNG.

The Aussie forwards are comfortable in the knowledge that the halfbacks will guide them around, all they need to do is the grunt work and stick to the game plan. Our forwards don't have the same level of structured game plan so we end up expecting more from them.

tbf the kiwis under gary kemble were a rabble.

they couldnt beat an egg then.


you were lucky to beat png

price and civinocva are amongst the best forwards in teh world.

and just the forwards at saint george are better than any youll find elsewhere.

i wouldnt swap our forwards for anybody

I disagree both are now well past their best and Ben Craegh apart the Saints pack is nothing to write home about IMO Poore is no great shakes his inclusion in origin confirms my point about the lack of depth/quality in the Aussie forwards