rlhttp://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12196/11470813/brian-noble-senses-fear-that-toronto-wolfpack-could-reach-super-leaguerl

Interesting read.

However, Noble as smug as he looks in the photograph, does not seem to consider that playing in a league 3,500 miles away BY CHOICE isn't in itself a "hurdle" or will have an impact on "player welfare"?

Nobby as usual is right on the money. He is an ornament to our game.

Correct. And as such he is sought after with the television networks.

He's an "ornament" all right, pity he's not a Realist, but, then again perhaps not.

I'm not getting into an expansionist black hole debate with 'both' or 'either' of you, I'm quite content to let you play with yourselves so please carry on

What exactly is he moaning about ??

Surely, such a well run club will have budgeted for these costs, in the expectation that they would reach the Super 8's or, perhaps, having to travel to away games in England has come as a total shock.
Perhaps the cost of travel etc is one of the reasons why RL has previously only tried to expand into France and yet neither Toulouse ofr Catalan seem to have complained, with Catalan coming over for cup fixtures (and the Final in a couple of weeks time).
You would expect that Noble, of all people, knew where most Super 8's games took place, after all he is from a northern pit village
Perhaps he was hoping for the advantage of playing all home games and all away games in blocks, which would have helped his club massively.
Its also strange that some of the expansion experts on here quote 10,000 quid/ game as the cost of playing Toronto but, Mr Noble needs over 48,000 per game, maybe they only travel first class and stay in the best hotels, instead of a glorified bunk house.

No but I believe Super League clubs will be expected to pay their own travel and accommodation costs.

I think most fans would disagree with you about not needing them.

We have quite a few ornaments in our house, her indoors dusts them as necessary but apart from that they are ignored.

Please tell us why SL "need" them.
Although there may be some "potential" sponsorship options, what benefits will Toronto being in SL actually bring ?
Their "harlem globetrotter status" is unlikely to yield increases in fan numbers as they can only spend "the same" as other SL clubs (not the twice or three times as much as the opposition they have played thus far), there will be additional costs to all clubs for going over there to play and if Nobles figures are correct this may be around 50k (not the 10k that some have been suggesting), notwithstanding the fact that the local climate will leave them playing their first "X" number of fixtures away from home, which will skew the fixtures for all other sides.

I may support a "small" club in the North of England but, your optimism is just crossed fingers, with no tangible benefit to their inclusion.

They have the potential to be the shot in the arm the game needs. I hope they come in and shake up the usual suspects when it comes to trophies.

We have a few ornaments at home, apart from the occasional dusting they are ignored.

Another great win for the TWP, 14-0 at The Shay.

Wolfpack win their first qualifier game but I see the moaners have got out ahead of the result.

Hang on, thought SL needed Bradford? is that as well as Toronto or them instead of Bradford? i lose track on who 'we need'