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I'll be honest I'm only starting this topic because this year my club Wakefield have done quite well when in the past we have not. None the less it's interesting enough.

Name the players indoor squad who have come through your Academy into the first team.

I will accept players who moved over you your club as under 19's and players who left you but have returned so long as they were in the first team at some point (includes cup games).

In order of games played.

Regulars

Tom Johnstone
Kyle Wood
Max Jowitt
Chris Anakin

All made first team debut

Jordan Crowther
James Batchelor
Rob Moules
Judah Mazive

Yet to debut

Frazer Morris

Non Academy players who were signed young from other clubs and spent most of their careers with us/you - they don't count but are worth a mention.

Reece Lyne
Joe Ardudal
Anthony Walker
Jon Molloy

9 or roughly 30% of the squad all of whom imho are SL capable to varying degrees is not bad. I'll be happier when it's neared 40% which I personally think is about the best most teams can do and be competitive.

There is a bit of a myth in RL that teams used to be made up totally of local young lads. Thats not true, half is probably the best you can really manage and stay competitive, yes there will be exceptions (Wigan spring to mind at the moment) but generally clubs have always signed players from all over the place.

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Regulars
Michael Shenton
Greg Eden
Andy Lynch
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Nathan Massey

All made debuts
Ash Robson
Tom Holmes
Kieran Gill
Will Maher
Brandon Douglas
Conor Fitzsimmoms
Brandon Westerman
Declan Sheenan
Luke Million

50% of squad.

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Quote: vastman "I'll be honest I'm only starting this topic because this year my club Wakefield have done quite well when in the past we have not. None the less it's interesting enough.

Name the players indoor squad who have come through your Academy into the first team.

I will accept players who moved over you your club as under 19's and players who left you but have returned so long as they were in the first team at some point (includes cup games).

In order of games played.

Regulars

Tom Johnstone
Kyle Wood
Max Jowitt
Chris Anakin

All made first team debut

Jordan Crowther
James Batchelor
Rob Moules
Judah Mazive

Yet to debut

Frazer Morris

Non Academy players who were signed young from other clubs and spent most of their careers with us/you - they don't count but are worth a mention.

Reece Lyne
Joe Ardudal
Anthony Walker
Jon Molloy

9 or roughly 30% of the squad all of whom imho are SL capable to varying degrees is not bad. I'll be happier when it's neared 40% which I personally think is about the best most teams can do and be competitive.

There is a bit of a myth in RL that teams used to be made up totally of local young lads. Thats not true, half is probably the best you can really manage and stay competitive, yes there will be exceptions (Wigan spring to mind at the moment) but generally clubs have always signed players from all over the place.'"


How about adding on players currently playing in SL, but at other clubs now, that have come through the club? That would give a good indication as to what clubs contribute most to the league and which clubs just take from others? Could be interesting reading.

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Hull FC

Shaul, Houghton, Hadley, Green, Bowden, Washbrook - regulars and would expect to all play 20+ games.

Logan, Lancaster, Fash, Turgut, Downs, Matongo - squad members but have all made their debut.

12/28 - 43%


Thompson, Naughton, Watts, Rawsthorne, Connor, Taylor, Sneyd, Griffin, Ellis - other English players.

Fonua, Tuimavave, Manu, Minichiello, Talanoa, Michaels, Kelly - overseas.

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Quote: caslad75 "How about adding on players currently playing in SL, but at other clubs now, that have come through the club? That would give a good indication as to what clubs contribute most to the league and which clubs just take from others? Could be interesting reading.'"


No problem with that, but in the case of Cas and Wakey it may be worth excluding Championship teams else we'll be here all day icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Tigerade "Regulars
Michael Shenton
Greg Eden
Andy Lynch
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Nathan Massey

All made debuts
Ash Robson
Tom Holmes
Kieran Gill
Will Maher
Brandon Douglas
Conor Fitzsimmoms
Brandon Westerman
Declan Sheenan
Luke Million

50% of squad.'"


Thats pretty good and about the max I'd say, paid dividends for you hasn't it.

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Quote: DGM "Hull FC

Shaul, Houghton, Hadley, Green, Bowden, Washbrook - regulars and would expect to all play 20+ games.

Logan, Lancaster, Fash, Turgut, Downs, Matongo - squad members but have all made their debut.

12/28 - 43%


Thompson, Naughton, Watts, Rawsthorne, Connor, Taylor, Sneyd, Griffin, Ellis - other English players.

Fonua, Tuimavave, Manu, Minichiello, Talanoa, Michaels, Kelly - overseas.'"


Out of interest as I don't really know how it works - how many are from the joint Academy and technically do they count as a 1/2 because of the HKR connection - not that it makes a huge difference.

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Quote: vastman "No problem with that, but in the case of Cas and Wakey it may be worth excluding Championship teams else we'll be here all day
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Quote: vastman "Out of interest as I don't really know how it works - how many are from the joint Academy and technically do they count as a 1/2 because of the HKR connection - not that it makes a huge difference.'"


None, yet.

I think all of those mentioned are too old (I think) to have played in the CoH academy, which only started in 2016.

The situation with the academy is that all the players initially were "ring-fenced" when the merger took place, depending on which club they came from. Once this works it's way through in a couple of years, it will move to a draft system I believe.

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From the 2017 squad numbersHomegrown + Regulars

S Tomkins, Manfredi, Gildart, Burgess, Williams, McIlorum, J Tomkins, L Farrell, O'Loughlin, Powell, Sutton, Tierney

Homegrown + Played First Team

Gregson, Bretherton, Shorrocks, C Farrell, Wells, Higginson, Shelford, M Davies

Homegrown + Yet To Debut


Forsyth, Ganson, Fell, Marshall, T Davies, Field, Barnes

27/37 there

The other 10 being:

Gelling, Leuluai, Nu'uasala, Flower, Bateman, Clubb, Tautai, Isa, Escare, Navarrete

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It'll be interesting to see Toronto's, given what they are there for.

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Quote: CM Punk "From the 2017 squad numbersHomegrown + Regulars

S Tomkins, Manfredi, Gildart, Burgess, Williams, McIlorum, J Tomkins, L Farrell, O'Loughlin, Powell, Sutton, Tierney

Homegrown + Played First Team

Gregson, Bretherton, Shorrocks, C Farrell, Wells, Higginson, Shelford, M Davies

Homegrown + Yet To Debut


Forsyth, Ganson, Fell, Marshall, T Davies, Field, Barnes

27/37 there

The other 10 being

Just out of interest are they all signed as full time players as opposed to under 19's because 37 is a huge squad.

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From the Leeds 2017 Squad numbers:

HG: Regulars (10)
1. Ashton Golding
3. Kallum Watkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
13. Stevie Ward
14. Liam Sutcliffe
16. Brad Singleton


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18. Jimmy Keinhorst
21. Josh Walters
22. Ash Handley
24. Jordan Baldwinson
25. Jordan Lilley
27. Cameron Smith
28. Mikolaj Oledzki
30. Sam Hallas

Yet to play (1)
29. Josh Jordan-Roberts

Overseas (6)
4. Joel Moon
8. Keith Galloway
9. James Segeyaro
10. Adam Cuthbertson
15. Brett Delaney
17. Mitch Garbutt

Others (5)
2. Tom Briscoe
19. Brett Ferres
20. Anthony Mullally
23. Jack Ormondroyd
26. Cory Aston

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Quote: Willzay "It'll be interesting to see Toronto's, given what they are there for.'"


Well, they wont have any that have played senior rugby for The Wolfpack but they may have players in their squad who haven't played RL for anyone.
Having said that, with all of North America to go at, they will have the largest "service area" of any of the clubs competing in
the 3rd tier.
They may end up with 8/10 "homegrown" players on their roster.

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Quote: vastman "Just out of interest are they all signed as full time players as opposed to under 19's because 37 is a huge squad.'"



All listed as 'First Team Squad' with Squad Numbers on the website, don't know the contract details of all of them though. Suspect the top 30 are all Full Time however.

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