FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > 2 refs to be trialled?
27 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1876No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2014Oct 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
28305.gif
:28305.gif



There is an article on the sky sports app saying it has been proposed that we trial the 2 ref system from Australia. It doesn't say if/when it will actually happen. Wigan have offered positive feedback from their game against NZW.

RankPostsTeam
International Star300No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2016Dec 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Wasnt it already trialled last weekend in a warrington u19s game?

Him
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2021Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2244_1299706258.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_2244.jpg



I hope so, I think it would massively help the refs.
I don't think we need the same system as in the NRL with 2 refs swapping over though. I think having 1 ref and basically a roving touch judge to instruct players and report back to the ref would work fine.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1876No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2014Oct 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
28305.gif
:28305.gif



IMO Having a ref to police the ruck and an assistant to police the offside is a better option rather than them swapping. It would help reduce inconsistencies in interpretation within a game.

I like the idea, they seem to be happy with how it has worked in Oz. Anything to help refs has to be good for the game.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2797No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2017Oct 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
39978_1327618193.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39978.jpg



We need one set of rules! I think it's ludicrous our only 2 full time professional leagues play to different rules and then there's a third set for internationals. The NRL shouldn't be allowed to just implement new rules without the RLIF and RFL agreeing on them and also taking them on board. FWIW I think 2 refs is the way to go, providing we can provide enough quality ones for each game over here.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3648
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2018Apr 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
50409_1268084441.jpg
Deus Dat Incrementum:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50409.jpg



I think it has been on the cards for a while, they tried it during a training session at Warrington last year and no doubt have done on numerous other occasions. Personally I don't like it and think the additional 'pocket' ref just seems to get in the way. Then it would mean that every ref would have to step up to the next level when they may well not be ready.

Him
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2021Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2244_1299706258.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_2244.jpg



Quote: Ganson's Optician "I think it has been on the cards for a while, they tried it during a training session at Warrington last year and no doubt have done on numerous other occasions. Personally I don't like it and think the additional 'pocket' ref just seems to get in the way. Then it would mean that every ref would have to step up to the next level when they may well not be ready.'"

But if we don't follow the NRL system with 2 refs swapping over, which I don't think is necessary, then we'd only still need 1 ref per game and just an extra TJ.

I can't see a downside in that situation to be honest and would eliminate a lot of the "guessing" a ref has to do in some situations.

RankPostsTeam
International Star4255No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201312 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2019Aug 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
69715_1406814004.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_69715.jpg



Quote: the machine 87 "Wasnt it already trialled last weekend in a warrington u19s game?'"

It was against FC u19s.

RankPostsTeam
International Star420
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201312 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2016Jan 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

[color=#000000:2i8kkn1z]Hull FC [/color:2i8kkn1z], [color=#0000FF:2i8kkn1z]Parramatta[/color:2i8kkn1z] and [color=#0040FF:2i8kkn1z]New South Wales[/color:2i8kkn1z]:



Over most of the last 5 yrs, yeah they came in in 2009 in Aus. I've bn in favour of 2 refs, up until about a month ago, but then I watched an NRL match 2 weeks ago, and really saw the benefit of having 2 refs again, the main ref polices the defensive line, and the assistant referee the ruck area. So yeah, I'm in favour of 2 refs on the park.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach895
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2024Mar 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
22268_1354053306.jpg
Long live the Fulham-London Crusaders-Broncos Harley-Quids Broncos (again) RLFC!:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_22268.jpg



Lmao, we'll end up with one ref' following each of the 26 on the pitch, lol, coach's will start teaching the players how to use "their" ref to block, the refs will end up arguing with each other.....chaos, lmao.

One ref', competently assisted by a 4th official with a monitor and a headset, who can correct errors and give feedback to the ref' on any incident as the game proceeds, is whats required.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner1707No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2016Aug 2016LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons077e_files/5452-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg
"Be you ever so high, the law is above you" "No one has ever made himself great by showing how small someone else is". - Irvin Himmel Tony, Blacklock, Yeaman, Whiting, Raynor, R. Horne, Brough, Dowes, Swain, Carvell, McMenemy, Kearney, Cooke. Replacements: Thackray, King, Chester, Saxton.:icons077e_files/5452-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg



As someone who was at the Hull u19s game on Saturday I thought it worked well. The rucks were cleaner and nothing missed (as Hull can verify as they were just like the first team, giving silly penalties away at crucial times).

I would like to see the officials work as a team every week. Same set of officials all working together and gaining an understanding of how they each work. I am not drawing too big a comparison but I mean this in a similar way to how Howard Webb works with his team in international football. They are recognised as a good team that work well together.
I am not sure if we have a big enough pool of officials to do that, but for me that should not be an issue. Some may just have to learn on their feet as most of us do in our professional lives.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner7779No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2019Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
5525.jpg
NL1 champions elect 2007 NL1 Champs 2005 JULIEN RINALDI IS A CAS FAN Allez Les Catalans:5525.jpg



We struggle to get one good ref on the pitch each week. Let alone 2

EHW
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner8627
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Feb 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
users/saintsold.gif
Forever in Rented Accomodation:users/saintsold.gif



Do we really need 8 officials at each game?

2 referees, 2 touch judges, 2 video referees (or in goal judges), 1 reserve referee and 1 match commissioner.

Has there ever been any research into whether more officials equals more correct decisions? If so, why stop at 8?

In my mind this is just another step in the "look at me" culture that the referees seem to have adopted recently.

Him
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2021Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
2244_1299706258.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_2244.jpg



Quote: EHW "Do we really need 8 officials at each game?

2 referees, 2 touch judges, 2 video referees (or in goal judges), 1 reserve referee and 1 match commissioner.

Has there ever been any research into whether more officials equals more correct decisions? If so, why stop at 8?

In my mind this is just another step in the "look at me" culture that the referees seem to have adopted recently.'"

I don't think it's that at all and you've got to remember that the 2 in-goal judges do very little except when a try is scored. There is only 1 video ref (no, not Highlander). The reserve ref has no input on reffing, neither does the match commissioner. So in most games at most times you've got 3 people to make decisions. The ref & 2 touch judges. Who, aside from having a multitude of decisions to make every few seconds (ie every play/tackle) there are plenty of situations where these 3 officials are unsighted and have to guess. For instance where an attacker runs the ball in and either turns himself or is turned by the defence so that he's facing his own posts. Not one of the officials can see the ball at this point. Another, roving, official could.
But the biggest benefit would be at the ruck or as tackles are being made. Because the roving official wouldn't have to be stood marking the 10 for the defence like the ref has to, he'll be stood watching the ruck/tackle unfold and can advise players on when to roll away/don't lift that leg etc and can advise the ref on what happened, ie was it a strip/knock-on/interference etc

RankPostsTeam
Moderator2574No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
7000.jpg
"Let only those who enter do so with pride and the determination to uphold the traditions of the club". //www.FaxFans.co.uk //www.halifaxrlfc.co.uk Halifax Tag RL. Interested in playing? Visit //www.pitchero.com/clubs/halifaxcommunityrugbyleague/:7000.jpg

Moderator


They absolutely hate it in Aus though. The way our refs are trained we would end up with a penalty strewn nightmare.

27 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
27 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.13720703125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
7m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
39848
14m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
62196
14m
Todays match v Saints
just_browny
82
15m
Film game
Wanderer
3259
18m
Max
PopTart
2
23m
Whitehaven
PopTart
28
42m
Hull KR H
MattyB
96
51m
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
4795
52m
Squads - Leopards v Wolves
Deeeekos
28
Recent
Salford H
Dave K.
41
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
23s
Hull KR H
MattyB
96
23s
Shopping list for 2025
weaver93
4795
26s
Saints h
Zig
188
27s
Todays match v Saints
just_browny
82
29s
2024 Play Off Chance
paddock
122
29s
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
62196
30s
TV Games - Not Hull
bonaire
2658
46s
Whitehaven
PopTart
28
53s
Salford H
Dave K.
41
53s
Highlights v Whitehaven
Dunkirk Spir
1
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Max
PopTart
2
TODAY
Play-offs
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Highlights v Whitehaven
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Play offs
newcat
2
TODAY
George Williams
Howfenwire
2
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
Wire Weaver
2
TODAY
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off London Challenge
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford Close In On The Play Offs As Dragons Crisis Continues
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Batley v Dons - Sunday 8 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
Staying down after head contact
The games af
5
TODAY
Broncos Ladies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
OT players staying down but staying on after treatment
djcool
5
TODAY
Hull live/Tomlinson
jimmyfivebel
12
TODAY
Todays match v Saints
just_browny
82
TODAY
New England RL shirt
The Curtism
2
TODAY
Reserves Grand Final
RobRiches
6
TODAY
Shareholder meetings
Dunkirk Spir
2
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth After Defeating Castleford Tigers
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six After Destroying Hull FC
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
233
Salford Close In On The Play O..
207
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
335
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
341
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
412
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
679
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
831
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
956
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
995
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1029
Five Into Three - Our Top Six ..
1618
Leigh Leopards Lay Claim To Pl..
1155
Salford Up To Fourth After Dem..
1548
Hull KR Embarrass Saints As Th..
1229
Rhinos Sweep Past the Dragons ..
1286