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| I know some people really do love to hate Dr Koukash but with the marquee allowance likely to be brought in soon, the doc has put forward a idea that will really benifit the WHOLE of the super league teams.
What he wants to see happen is, everyone gets a golden ticket to sign a marquee player off the salary cap to bring back a bit of quality to the league.
But as you well know a marquee player allowence is useless for teams like Wakefield and Bradford, so he wants to implement a (golden ticket sale) if you like where teams would offer a sum of money to buy the less well off teams golden tickets say for £100k maybe more maybe less I don't know? That will give the winning bidding team another marquee player off the cap, but in doing this the less financially well off clubs will be getting money for virtually nothing? I mean the marquee allowence is useless to them in the first place so to receive a sum of money like that could massively help out other clubs in super league.
So now I've explained the gist of it what do people think?
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| Quote: Mike87 "I know some people really do love to hate Dr Koukash but with the marquee allowance likely to be brought in soon, the doc has put forward a idea that will really benifit the WHOLE of the super league teams.
What he wants to see happen is, everyone gets a golden ticket to sign a marquee player off the salary cap to bring back a bit of quality to the league.
But as you well know a marquee player allowence is useless for teams like Wakefield and Bradford, so he wants to implement a (golden ticket sale) if you like where teams would offer a sum of money to buy the less well off teams golden tickets say for £100k maybe more maybe less I don't know? That will give the winning bidding team another marquee player off the cap, but in doing this the less financially well off clubs will be getting money for virtually nothing? I mean the marquee allowence is useless to them in the first place so to receive a sum of money like that could massively help out other clubs in super league.
So now I've explained the gist of it what do people think?'"
Well it's overly complicated enough to be right up the rfls street - though I would add one thing in first - for a player to qualify for said golden ticket, they have to be eligible to play for England (or wales or Scotland - the home nations (or France for Catalans) )
Adding the above rule would be the only way I would support a marquee exemption rule. The Aussies are trying to get rid, you have to ask why
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Well it's overly complicated enough to be right up the rfls street - though I would add one thing in first - for a player to qualify for said golden ticket, they have to be eligible to play for England (or wales or Scotland - the home nations (or France for Catalans) )
Adding the above rule would be the only way I would support a marquee exemption rule. The Aussies are trying to get rid, you have to ask why'"
Are there any available English marquee players? Plus Union might be an option?
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| Quote: Mike87 "Are there any available English marquee players? Plus Union might be an option?'"
Burgess, Graham, Tomkins, Hall. I do like the idea to be fair.
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| Quote: Mike87 "Are there any available English marquee players? Plus Union might be an option?'"
I don't really care if there is or there isn't. Merely the reasons why the Aussies brought it in in the first place. They brought it in to make sure they were able to keep hold of the very best during the strong pound era (and were relatively successful) - now that threat is over they're removing it. I have no problem if we use it in the same manner, but any other way is the same old.
Parading around a 30 something billy slater and calling it the greatest thing to ever happen to British rugby league has been done to death, let's keep hold of the best we can produce and go from there.
You can convolute "the marquee exemption" as much as you like, it won't get a majority, and rightly so - if you learn good cap management, you can either afford a marquee or grow one. Anything else is just being lazy.
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| So Koukash wants to give Wakey 100k for their ticket, them pay the player in question, say 250k?
Is it one ticket per year?
If Wakey sell a ticket in year 1 to a club who signs a player on a 3 year deal, do Wakey have a ticket in year 2?
Bonkers idea.
Increase the cap, fine, but a club can't stockpile players - a strict squad size has to be in place.
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| Quote: Mike87 "I know some people really do love to hate Dr Koukash but with the marquee allowance likely to be brought in soon, the doc has put forward a idea that will really benifit the WHOLE of the super league teams.
What he wants to see happen is, everyone gets a golden ticket to sign a marquee player off the salary cap to bring back a bit of quality to the league.
But as you well know a marquee player allowence is useless for teams like Wakefield and Bradford, so he wants to implement a (golden ticket sale) if you like where teams would offer a sum of money to buy the less well off teams golden tickets say for £100k maybe more maybe less I don't know? That will give the winning bidding team another marquee player off the cap, but in doing this the less financially well off clubs will be getting money for virtually nothing? I mean the marquee allowence is useless to them in the first place so to receive a sum of money like that could massively help out other clubs in super league.
So now I've explained the gist of it what do people think?'"
I like the Marquee idea, if of course the clubs can afford it.
This golden ticket idea is terrible, The Dr will buy Wakey's, bradfords, Londons and probably Cas's as well. But which truely marquee players could he buy?
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| Quote: dboy "So Koukash wants to give Wakey 100k for their ticket, them pay the player in question, say 250k?
Is it one ticket per year?
If Wakey sell a ticket in year 1 to a club who signs a player on a 3 year deal, do Wakey have a ticket in year 2?
Bonkers idea.
Increase the cap, fine, but a club can't stockpile players - a strict squad size has to be in place.'"
I assume it would be fair to only have the marquee tickets for aslong as the contracts? So if say Wigan signed slayer for 3 years after 3 years they could get another ticket, but if say Cas sold them theirs they could have two for 3 years instead of one? It would benefit Cas too as they haven't got a chance is bringing in a marquee player either.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I don't really care if there is or there isn't. Merely the reasons why the Aussies brought it in in the first place. They brought it in to make sure they were able to keep hold of the very best during the strong pound era (and were relatively successful) - now that threat is over they're removing it. I have no problem if we use it in the same manner, but any other way is the same old.
Parading around a 30 something billy slater and calling it the greatest thing to ever happen to British rugby league has been done to death, let's keep hold of the best we can produce and go from there.
You can convolute "the marquee exemption" as much as you like, it won't get a majority, and rightly so - if you learn good cap management, you can either afford a marquee or grow one. Anything else is just being lazy.'"
But the Australian marquee rule was brought in for a different reason, they HAVE countless world class players over here they wanted to keep them in their league, we on the other hand have got whats turning out to be a very ordinary league so our reasoning for a marquee rule isn't to keep our best but to try and bring in some class to raise the profile if the game.
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| Quote: Mike87 "But the Australian marquee rule was brought in for a different reason, they HAVE countless world class players over here they wanted to keep them in their league, we on the other hand have got whats turning out to be a very ordinary league so our reasoning for a marquee rule isn't to keep our best but to try and bring in some class to raise the profile if the game.'"
Its how you spend the cap that counts. The Dr has stated Salford are up to cap. Wigan have stated they arn't, yet they've got the double. Spend it more wisely.
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| Quote: Mike87 "But the Australian marquee rule was brought in for a different reason, they HAVE countless world class players over here they wanted to keep them in their league, we on the other hand have got whats turning out to be a very ordinary league so our reasoning for a marquee rule isn't to keep our best but to try and bring in some class to raise the profile if the game.'"
They have them and didn't want to lose them - surely we should tie down the few we have before chasing anyone else.
Tell me, if signing Matty Bowen, lance hohaia, josh perry, Anthony laffranchi, Trent Barrett, Jamie Lyon, Trent Waterhouse, Joel Monaghan, Andrew Johns (albeit briefly) Steve Menzies, Stacy jones, tony Carroll, Luke patten and a load more I can't be bothered to remember has raised the game to the point it has - why would Salford (who is ultimately the only team who would conceivably use the rule) signing billy slater make one Iotas of difference?
Raising the profile of the game take sustained, achievable targets and growth, not throwing money at players.
Wayne Rooney doesn't get paid £300,000 a week to attract fans, he gets paid £300,000 a week because the club attracted the fans and can therefore afford to pay him.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "Its how you spend the cap that counts. The Dr has stated Salford are up to cap. Wigan have stated they arn't, yet they've got the double. Spend it more wisely.'"
Wigan won the double with Tomkins, Hansen, Richards and Mossop in their team so that would of taken them
Upto the cap and in Tomkins case over it with his sky sports sponsorship.
They won't win the double with the team they have now.
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| Strange one this. If a salary cap exemption is to be introduced, surely this would have resulted in a better TV deal due to the added attraction of any marquee signings?
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "They have them and didn't want to lose them - surely we should tie down the few we have before chasing anyone else.
Tell me, if signing Matty Bowen, lance hohaia, josh perry, Anthony laffranchi, Trent Barrett, Jamie Lyon, Trent Waterhouse, Joel Monaghan, Andrew Johns (albeit briefly) Steve Menzies, Stacy jones, tony Carroll, Luke patten and a load more I can't be bothered to remember has raised the game to the point it has - why would Salford (who is ultimately the only team who would conceivably use the rule) signing billy slater make one Iotas of difference?
Raising the profile of the game take sustained, achievable targets and growth, not throwing money at players.
Wayne Rooney doesn't get paid £300,000 a week to attract fans, he gets paid £300,000 a week because the club attracted the fans and can therefore afford to pay him.'"
What English marquee players do we have now then that will attract NRL and Union clubs to come poaching?
And United have Rooney to keep their quality up by doing this that's how they attract the fans.
Look at Man City now getting 47000 average crowds from and average of around 29/30k they won the premier league currently playing some fantastic football and In the process of building one of the worlds biggest footballing academies, now you tell me if the FA were like the RFL and stopped that club spending money to catch the big teams up do you really think they'd be achieving financially and crowd wise what they do now?
Fact is the RFL are holding the sport back by capping everything simple as that.
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| Quote: Talent Spotter "Strange one this. If a salary cap exemption is to be introduced, surely this would have resulted in a better TV deal due to the added attraction of any marquee signings?'"
Probably would have but the RFL as usual jumped the gun.
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