FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Salary Cap
93 posts in 7 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach145No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2012Apr 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Do you think its about time the salary cap was increased as the NRL salary Cap has increased from next season.

We cant wait until players like Roby, Briscoe and Tomkins are lost to the NRL because they can get double there salary across there.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner29214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



No, not enough of the clubs can support it.

And it's no use saying that some can because of their owners. Clubs shouldn't be able to deliberately lose money as it is not sustainable.

How many SL clubs make a profit? Hull, Leeds and Warrington possibly?

There isn't any room for central contracts either as the RFL don't have sufficient revenue to support it.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1452No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2014Oct 2014LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: joolsc "Do you think its about time the salary cap was increased as the NRL salary Cap has increased from next season.

We cant wait until players like Roby, Briscoe and Tomkins are lost to the NRL because they can get double there salary across there.'"


Better lost to the NRL than to rara. The NRL cap increase is a good thing IMO. We will have little choice but to develop young players which can only improve the national squad.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach145No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2012Apr 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



If Hull, Leeds and Warrington can then why should the rest of the league hold these teams back.

If the Super League is going to get stronger clubs like Warrington have to take the lead honestly not loan players out half way during a season to get under the cap.

A business has to be able to stand on its own two feet and if they cant then get out of the Super League.

Its called Super League for a reason

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner29214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: joolsc "If Hull, Leeds and Warrington can then why should the rest of the league hold these teams back.

If the Super League is going to get stronger clubs like Warrington have to take the lead honestly not loan players out half way during a season to get under the cap.

A business has to be able to stand on its own two feet and if they cant then get out of the Super League.

Its called Super League for a reason'"


Because unless you have a level playing field, the only clubs that will be able to win are those 3. This increases the gaps between the haves and have nots and the league lowers in quality. It would be like the Scottish league with Rangers and Celtic.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1632No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2012Mar 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Manchester United is one of, if not the biggest sporting brands in the world and they are a loss leader, piling on huge amounts of debt. Its very rare for sporting clubs to make a profit, they're not expected to do it.

RankPostsTeam
International Star114No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2012Feb 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Saddened! "No, not enough of the clubs can support it.

And it's no use saying that some can because of their owners. Clubs shouldn't be able to deliberately lose money as it is not sustainable.

How many SL clubs make a profit? Hull, Leeds and Warrington possibly?

There isn't any room for central contracts either as the RFL don't have sufficient revenue to support it.'"


Cap (as it stands) shuts money out of the game. If Roman Abramovich suddenly found a love for a League club, there's essentially nothing he could do about it. Nobody just shoves money into a sport, only into a club, for the prestige (they hope) of making it successful.

Cap as a means to equalize competition I've never agreed with (punishes success). Why not just make the best players wear Mr. Blobby suits? ( think Wigan tried this with O'Carroll )

However...I'd add 4 conditions should this imaginary collection of Russian billionaires want a piece of a League club:

1) Money has to be a bone-fide investment so the money is genuinely the club's to spend and the club isn't put at any risk due to debt.

2) Clubs are banned from spending more than is economically sensible - e.g. some % of turnover, BUT PLUS money put in, debt-free, by any investor.

3) There are still hard limits on size of squad, and number of players paid more than £x. This prevents a mega-rich club, buying up too many world-class players just to keep a bench warm, and to keep them away from other clubs, which would just rob fans of seeing the best people on the park each week ( It also goes someway to stop the rich team becoming ultra dominant - to take this to an extreme example: the 'best' 17 in the world aren't guaranteed to smash the second best 17 - in fact it would be pretty hard to agree which was which anyway )

4) Salary costs above a hard-limit £Y are 'taxed' by the RFL at 20%, with this money put into grass-roots game. ( I think Basketball in the US does or did this, but I could be wrong ). So by making Hull, say - nearest to Russia icon_smile.gif mega-rich, Mr Abramovich is automatically forced to put good £ into grassroots League.

5) Audited by someone who can count. (spot the deliberate rubbish 'counting' joke).

RankPostsTeam
International Star114No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2012Feb 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Or is Harlequins nearest to Russia?

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12647
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: joolsc "If Hull, Leeds and Warrington can then why should the rest of the league hold these teams back.

If the Super League is going to get stronger clubs like Warrington have to take the lead honestly not loan players out half way during a season to get under the cap.

A business has to be able to stand on its own two feet and if they cant then get out of the Super League.

Its called Super League for a reason'"


Those teams don't make big profits, iirc. With the possible exception of Warrington, I'm not sure even they'd welcome a [ibig[/i increase. It could go up from £1.65m to £1.7m, but the consequences - positive and negative - would be predictably minimal.
There just isn't the money out there to make loosening the restrictions dramatically worthwhile or meaningful.

Binning of all but the richest clubs will leave you with a very small League and very repetitive fixture list.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5035No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2021Oct 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: WiganEd "Cap (as it stands) shuts money out of the game. If Roman Abramovich suddenly found a love for a League club, there's essentially nothing he could do about it. Nobody just shoves money into a sport, only into a club, for the prestige (they hope) of making it successful. '"


Actually, rich people prefer the salary cap, and here's an example:

Robert Kraft, the New England Patriots owner didn't buy Liverpool because of the Premier League not having a cap, and a small salary cap of 1.65m or whatever it is in Super League would actually encourage not put off any potential investor, the problem is the majority of the planet has never heard of the sport.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12647
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: WiganEd "Cap (as it stands) shuts money out of the game. If Roman Abramovich suddenly found a love for a League club, there's essentially nothing he could do about it.'"


Nonsense - he could use his dubiously acquired wealth to buy a club and invest in a stadium and infrastructure. He just couldn't massively distort the sporting competition and effectively guarantee on-field success - which is what sucks so much drama out of the processional Premier League.

Him
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2021Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I'd be suprised if Warrington made a profit without owner investment. Id imagine Leeds, Hull & Wigan are the three clubs to make a profit, IIRC Cas did pretty well the last time accounts were released?
But the rest were making a loss fairly easily.

What's the point of raising the cap simply to make us all feel a bit better. The cap is finally starting to bite and level out the competition, now is not the time to raise it until at least 12 or 13 clubs out of 14 can regularly spend the full cap.
Also to compete with Union or the NRL we would have to probably double the cap, which no-one can afford and would merely lead to the kind of reckless spending that the cap was brought in to try and avoid.

tb
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman48326
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2023Oct 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Chorlton RL "Manchester United is one of, if not the biggest sporting brands in the world and they are a loss leader, piling on huge amounts of debt. Its very rare for sporting clubs to make a profit, they're not expected to do it.'"


tbf, the main reason Man U have a massive debt is because of a leveraged buy-out: ie the Glasiers borrowed money to buy the club, and then disposed of the debt by putting onto the company they bought. Modern finance, hey? (though I suspect that's a Sin Bin subject)

RankPostsTeam
International Star114No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2012Feb 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Mild Rover "Nonsense - he could use his dubiously acquired wealth to buy a club and invest in a stadium and infrastructure. He just couldn't massively distort the sporting competition and effectively guarantee on-field success - which is what sucks so much drama out of the processional Premier League.'"


The massively successful processional Premier League. Where teams like, say Sunderland, couldn't possibly win it but have a huge fan base.

The salary cap might* encourage a for-profit investor, but isn't much use to the 'prestige' investor whos more interested in on-field success.

*however, this is dubious (at least at the current limit). Growth sometime requires spending. So, for example ( alert - for example ONLY ), imagine some rich guy thinks that he can grow a club's fan base and media profile (and thus profit) dramatically by signing Johnny Wilkinson, Chris Ashton, etc. Right or wrong, that option just isn't open to him.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1632No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2012Mar 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: tb "tbf, the main reason Man U have a massive debt is because of a leveraged buy-out

True, but it still shows that even the biggest and most powerful of sporting brands don't behave in a way that you might expect a traditional business and that they are always in a precarious situation. They are in a way just one greedy banker away from everything going pop.

That means that you can't really say if you're not making a profit, you can't meet an enlarged cap, so you can't be in SL. Its not how sporting clubs work.

93 posts in 7 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
93 posts in 7 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


11.12060546875:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
518
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
9s
Rumours and signings v9
Mark_P1973
28902
11s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63268
12s
Shopping list for 2025
HU8HFC
5588
17s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Theeaststand
4048
23s
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
NickyKiss
9
27s
Film game
karetaker
5766
27s
New Kit
Cokey
70
27s
Spirit of the Rhinos
chapylad
6
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
518
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40802
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Khlav Kalash
2
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Getting a new side to gel
Wigan Bull
2
TODAY
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
TODAY
Writers required
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS